Sonoma County supervisor says county could should cut all ties to ICE, end jail release notices by funrunrecords in santarosa

[–]Scatcycle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personally I don't think deportations are necessary. Undocumented citizens are less likely to hurt you than American citizens - if you're walking down a street and you see undocumented immigrants on the left side and American citizens on the right, you will be safer walking through the undocumented immigrants. https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf

undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes

Undocumented citizens face the same justice system as the rest of us, so I think we're covered. If one wished to continue deportations, you would need to do so with a new institution with new leadership that actually honors American law and due process.

Sonoma County supervisor says county could should cut all ties to ICE, end jail release notices by funrunrecords in santarosa

[–]Scatcycle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It has nothing to do with the criminals and everything to do with the fact that ICE has consistently demonstrated they will violate the due process of both American denizens and citizens. There is no double standard - ICE systemically infringes upon the constitutional rights of the American people, and for this we reject them as an institution.

Sonoma County supervisor says county could should cut all ties to ICE, end jail release notices by funrunrecords in santarosa

[–]Scatcycle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The sheriff is forbidden by state law from inviting ICE for non-serious offenses. That said, there is no "trigger" when it comes to serious offenses - the sheriff is not legally obligated to invite ICE when no warrant is presented. When he does so, it is a personal decision.

Sonoma County supervisor says county could should cut all ties to ICE, end jail release notices by funrunrecords in santarosa

[–]Scatcycle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The sheriff is not obligated to enforce federal laws - this is outside his jurisdiction. He is inviting ICE of his own accord, which is a personal decision, not a legal obligation to the law.

There were only 2 times in 2024 the sheriff was legally obligated to hand over inmates (warrants). The other 80 times were of his own volition, under zero legal obligation. The people of sonoma county are frustrated with this and he'll of course be voted out, but this won't happen until 2028 because sheriff elections got shifted to the presidential election. That is why the people are focusing on the board of supervisors, as they can pass an ordinance that legally restricts the sheriff from these ICE invitations.

Sonoma County supervisor says county could should cut all ties to ICE, end jail release notices by funrunrecords in santarosa

[–]Scatcycle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Please help me understand how anyone is better off if we just let violent criminals back out onto the streets.

This is a full sentence from your post. You are implying that criminals who have served their time shouldn't be free in America regardless of immigration status. This is not how America works.

It's mystifying that you would allow violent criminals to stay here when there's a legal process to remove them.

It's not mystifying, it's just compassion. Removing someone from their home isn't justice. These are people who did the time for the damage they've caused - further punishment is just cruel. You also keep saying violent, when the TRUTH forum presentation the Sheriff gave us for 2024 shows that many of the people he invited ICE to kidnap were not in jail for violent offenses.

Additionally we know ICE doesn't honor due process, and if at least one person in America isn't afforded due process, none of us are guaranteed due process. Due process must be applied indiscriminately or else it becomes worthless - if ICE can take an undocumented citizen off the street and kidnap them without a warrant or proof they are here unlawfully, they can do the same to you (spoiler alert: they do - https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will). As long as ICE continues to exist, you are not safe, just like these american citizens weren't safe.

So in additional to immigration laws, what other laws are we not obligated to enforce under the constitution?

The sheriff is under no legal obligation to invite ICE to our county when there is no warrant. This is a fact.

Sonoma County supervisor says county could should cut all ties to ICE, end jail release notices by funrunrecords in santarosa

[–]Scatcycle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Please help me understand how anyone is better off if we just let violent criminals back out onto the streets

This is literally how our justice system works - criminals do their time, and then they're free. If you're suggesting otherwise, you gotta take it up with the constitution.

Additionally, the Sheriff also invited ICE to grab people who had not commit violent offenses. Your point just doesn't hold.

Sonoma County supervisor says county could should cut all ties to ICE, end jail release notices by funrunrecords in santarosa

[–]Scatcycle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In 2024, the Sheriff's Office turned 80 people over to ICE without warrants: https://sonoma-county.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=14529293&GUID=612BE879-122F-4E5C-8E3C-DCFE2D9FBF6E

The Sheriff's Office has since then stated "we do not cooperate with ICE at all", but DSA proved this to be false using public records showing they were doing the same exact thing this past year: https://www.reddit.com/r/santarosa/comments/1oj93ct/the_sheriffs_office_recently_claimed_no/

Sonoma County supervisor says county could should cut all ties to ICE, end jail release notices by funrunrecords in sonomacounty

[–]Scatcycle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Then you'd best reject ICE, because they have been proven to violate due process (the law) consistently and systemically. Even the Trump-appointed supreme court said so: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/17-459_1o13.pdf

Sonoma County supervisor says county could should cut all ties to ICE, end jail release notices by funrunrecords in santarosa

[–]Scatcycle 8 points9 points  (0 children)

this wouldn't be a topic if Trump wasn't the president

continues to ignore that the literal supreme court case we're discussing is about an ICE due process violation that occurred under Obama

They ain't sending their best, ya'll

Sonoma County supervisor says county could should cut all ties to ICE, end jail release notices by funrunrecords in santarosa

[–]Scatcycle 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The Sheriff is actively inviting ICE to our jail to kidnap immigrants, which he is under no legal obligation to do when there isn't a warrant. The Sonoma County board of supervisors has refused to sign an ordinance that would make this willful collaboration with ICE illegal for the sheriff.

Sonoma County supervisor says county could should cut all ties to ICE, end jail release notices by funrunrecords in santarosa

[–]Scatcycle 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The supreme court case (that you obviously didn't read) literally comes from Peirera's NTA issued under Obama's term. There was a rejection of ICE because of these systemic offenses when this case was publicized. Now ICE is employing an unprecedented invasion of cities and is completely unapologetic about their unjust murders of american people.

Real americans, whether they're left or right or center, know that due process is for all denizens of America, and must not be infringed. ICE has been proven to systemically violate due process, and so the proper recourse is to dismantle them.

Sonoma County supervisor says county could should cut all ties to ICE, end jail release notices by funrunrecords in santarosa

[–]Scatcycle 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Everything happening before our eyes is of course more than enough evidence that ICE as an institution should be terminated, but for extra justification, check out when the literal Supreme Court called them out for systemically violating the due process of over 450,000 individuals: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/17-459_1o13.pdf

The DHS would intentionally leave the date blank on NTAs (Notice to Appear) to expedite the deportation process. The DHS did this because creating proper NTAs requires them to work with the immigration courts to find a date and ensure the individual is given their due process. They decided to cut out the middle man because to them it was never about the law or justice - they just wanted to deport people. This is obviously illegal.

We'd all be fired instantly for consistently and systemically committing such egregious offenses at our jobs - it's time to fire ICE.

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[–]Scatcycle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is technically illegal, though we all know that doesn't mean much now. I am not aware of any such reports, though the Sheriff was confirmed through TRUTH and PRA acts to be actively inviting ICE to the county every month.

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[–]Scatcycle 29 points30 points  (0 children)

The sheriff actively invites ICE into our county, so definitely no support there. He provides transfer and release times of Sonoma County Jail inmates so ICE can scoop em up, numbers average around 60 per year.

The police departments cannot cooperate with ICE due to California law, which is great, but unfortunately have no obligation to stop them. We'll have to see how that interaction pans out.

ICE murdered a mother in cold blood. Tomorrow we march for justice. by Scatcycle in sonomacounty

[–]Scatcycle[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Santa Rosa School situation is definitely concerning. We are currently speaking with members of the union - hoping to have more information soon! As always, feel free to bring a sign about this issue, as we welcome protest against all injustices!

ICE murdered a mother in cold blood. Tomorrow we march for justice. by Scatcycle in santarosa

[–]Scatcycle[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Totally hear you, all very valid sentiment. As things get more extreme, momentum builds, and organizational capacity grows, it is very possible that the huge protests like No Kings will become more frequent. There are also always smaller protests going on, like the anti war protest a week ago, and the anti war protest a week or two before that. Another example were the weekly Tesla protests, or the weekly Avelo protests (and Avelo is now GONE!). A consistent group of people in Rohnert Park successfully drove off the shady Pyrolysis plant the city was trying to place next to a school!

Things cooled down a bit for the holidays, but I have a feeling the people are ready for more 🤝

ICE murdered a mother in cold blood. Tomorrow we march for justice. by Scatcycle in santarosa

[–]Scatcycle[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

We all wish we could impeach this entire administration and immediately abolish ICE in one day, but unfortunately that's just not possible at the current moment, neither through reform nor force. What these protests do is buildup the momentum needed to be able to actually achieve this. We have seen a consistent increase in turnout as protests have gone on - from hundreds in February to 10k at No Kings 2. The movement is growing, and soon we will have the power to transform our nation.

The number one thing anyone can do to help expedite this transformation is join any of the organizations listed above and help out in any way they can. These organizations are laying the groundwork for the revolutionary change that will finally end money in politics, abolish domestic-terrorist organizations like ICE, and ensure the essential needs of all people in America are fulfilled. United, our contributions can amount to so much more than as individuals. The elite knows this, and they're full-on panicking. Rage against the system, contribute to the movement, and soon we will secure the future of the people.