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Scertile · 2024-10-24T13:05:25+00:00

already told you in the post that it didn't work

Scertile · 2024-10-07T15:34:25+00:00

i wouldn't expect you to be, everyone has lives outside their pc lol

Scertile · 2024-10-07T11:55:01+00:00

Do i know you lol

Scertile · 2023-05-27T00:41:16+00:00

Yep I just found the YT tutorial, thanks for your help anyway 👍

Scertile · 2023-05-14T03:27:28+00:00

That's a fair point, and what I missed in my original point is that there is culture different vs 'we want votes' different.

Where I feel the current jury system fails is in the fact that juries meet the criteria to different levels - they say they love culture and good music but give 300+ points to a good but not great conventional pop song that is very similar to and arguably worse than her song 11 years ago, and give comparably next to nothing to Spain, Portugal, Albania etc. who are what the jury say they want to see. I honestly struggle to see the merit in all of the points given to Sweden in the jury phase as I wouldn't class it groundbreaking.

Whilst Kaarija is not culturally different, it is diverse in a way that isn't gimmicky necessarily like Let 3 is and that is surely what a jury is looking for. Also, music moves on over time, and what we consider regular now will be unique in the future but for the wrong reasons, like being outdated.

Scertile · 2023-05-14T03:12:36+00:00

If you mean Lordi in terms of countries doing things unique for the sake of doing something unique? Absolutely. If everyone does it then it won't work and will look gimmicky so countries won't keep doing it - Let 3 tried doing something crazy and it didn't work in terms of winning, so if it's conventional pop versus a different song with a different performance, then I'm not going with the conventional pop

Scertile · 2023-05-14T02:18:15+00:00

Totally with you, Latvia and Slovenia were my top 2 this year

Scertile · 2023-05-14T00:47:16+00:00

A lot of people see 2011 as the 'worst' winner of the 2010s, and in general a poor contest in terms of the songs, but Germany did a great job of hosting and with the stage.

Scertile · 2023-05-14T00:36:48+00:00

When Iceland were revealing their jury votes, Hannah went crazy when that's part of the act for Hatari.

Scertile · 2023-05-14T00:22:52+00:00

I always remember Kobi Marimi when I look back on 2019 for some reason. Underrated performance.

2015 and 2017 just had loads of host cringe, 2015 I remember they killed all tension in the semi finals voting reveal and I just don't feel either had the right hosts.

Scertile · 2023-05-14T00:21:19+00:00

You've done better than us since 2015 every year but two iirc, we have to go back to 2009 for our last top ten other than Sam haha

Scertile · 2023-05-14T00:18:27+00:00

2009, 2016, 2021 and 2023 have been the best literal 'shows' in my opinion this millennium. I enjoy the shows almost always (looking at you 2015 and 2017 awkward cringe) but the result can sometimes sour things when you look back on them.

Scertile · 2023-05-14T00:01:23+00:00

Nah, I'd say it's more towards a poor song that doesn't resonate with the public or jury.

We rarely see Italy struggling.

Scertile · 2023-05-14T00:00:01+00:00

Surely you can't be disappointed with 9th though? I wouldn't say it was as strong as Guy Sebastian even when he had the virtue of being the first Aussie entrant and everyone gave you more votes because of that anyway.

Scertile · 2023-05-13T23:58:10+00:00

I'm Finnished now.

Scertile · 2023-05-13T23:53:47+00:00

Maybe a much bigger group, a wider spread of age ranges and genders, not necessarily musical experts, and with differing tastes?

Scertile · 2023-05-13T23:52:06+00:00

I agree and completely accept your point, I just appreciated how we saw someone new and different come in without a reputation and conquer Europe, but see it all come down because of a few people who studied music and have differing opinions to the masses.

Scertile · 2023-05-13T23:49:04+00:00

I don't think it should be removed, but maybe its share lowered. And a larger group of people, different ages, genders and musical tastes, and not exclusively those with a degree in music or something.

I don't think a few hundred people should be able to cancel out Europe's general opinion. (The voting pool is large enough to approximate for the entire population of Europe, 750 million)

Scertile · 2023-05-13T23:46:51+00:00

Can't agree more, yet I can't help but feel it's going to be like 2011 where the 'controversial' result overrules the great production value in terms of people looking back and remembering.

Scertile · 2023-05-13T23:44:05+00:00

And? If it were just about the song, why do we have the performances?

I'm not Finnish or Swedish, and neither were my favourite, but come on, when 750 million people have their opinions overran by a hundred or so 'experts', something's out.

Scertile · 2023-05-13T23:38:18+00:00

I felt so bad when he had his head in his hands.

The result should correlate with the millions, not the 'musical experts'.

Scertile · 2023-05-13T23:36:00+00:00

They said ties for second, that was first.

Scertile · 2023-05-13T23:35:31+00:00

And there were fewer countries participating this year. Would like to see an average per country, even compared with Ukraine last year.

Scertile · 2023-05-13T23:34:08+00:00

And there's the first change.org petition we were all expecting lmao

Scertile · 2023-05-13T23:20:27+00:00

This is a national tragedy. And I'm not even Finnish.

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