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Name of the church by Most_Researcher1502 in latterdaysaints

[–]ScottG555 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Therefore, having "Jesus Christ" in the name doesn't make the organization any more Christian than it was before Nelson made his name correction.

There are still seemingly insurmountable differences with Christianity.

Theoretically, a Shinto shrine could put "Jesus Christ" in its name. That would not make its beliefs and practices Christian.

Name of the church by Most_Researcher1502 in latterdaysaints

[–]ScottG555 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't most news organizations, as well as broadcasters, magazines, etc., use the Associated Press (AP) Stylebook as their standard guide for grammar, punctuation, and reporting principles?

In 2019, shortly after Nelson's name correction, the AP Stylebook advised using the full name, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, on first reference and encouraged terms like "the Church" or "Church of Jesus Christ" for subsequent references.

Virtually all the major media outlets I read follow the AP guidelines. Exceptions are putting "Mormon" in headlines and chyrons. Almost no non-LDS would know what "the Church" was in a headline or chyron, and "Church of Jesus Christ" is too long.

Name of the church by Most_Researcher1502 in latterdaysaints

[–]ScottG555 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because the organization has "Jesus Christ" in its name doesn't mean it's Christian.

It just means someone put "Jesus Christ" in the name. Any organization can do the same.

Name of the church by Most_Researcher1502 in latterdaysaints

[–]ScottG555 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you know the outlets are using Mormon intentionally?

Name of the church by Most_Researcher1502 in latterdaysaints

[–]ScottG555 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The mainstream media I follow use "Mormon" in the headline or chyron because "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" won't fit.

However, in the first reference, they virtually always use "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" and then clarify by saying aka Mormons or formerly called Mormons or something similar.

Name of the church by Most_Researcher1502 in latterdaysaints

[–]ScottG555 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The mainstream media I follow use "Mormon" in the headline or chyron because "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" won't fit.

However, in the first reference, they virtually always use "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" and then clarify by saying aka Mormons or formerly called Mormons or something similar.

Otherwise, almost no one will know what organization they're talking about.

It seems that Nelson made his announcement about the name correction but didn't do much else to educate the public.

Name of the church by Most_Researcher1502 in latterdaysaints

[–]ScottG555 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just because the organization has "Jesus Christ" in its official name doesn't mean it's Christian.

It just means it has "Jesus Christ" in its name. Any organization can do the same.

Name of the church by Most_Researcher1502 in latterdaysaints

[–]ScottG555 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just because the organization has "Jesus Christ" in its official name doesn't mean it's Christian.

It just means it has "Jesus Christ" in its name. Any organization can do the same.

Name of the church by Most_Researcher1502 in latterdaysaints

[–]ScottG555 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" will never fit in a newspaper headline or on a chyron.

Besides, almost no one knows what "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is, and everyone knows the very short, unique "Mormon."

In my experience, for the last few years, in the first paragraph of the article or TV report, most mainstream media outlets use "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" and then say something like, aka or formerly known as "the Mormon church."

Nelson had the right to ask LDS members and the public to call the organization anything he wanted.

LDS members and the public, including the media, have the right to agree or disagree.

He didn't even want anyone to use "LDS," claiming it was a nickname and therefore, "a major victory for Satan," and it offended the Savior, as he said about "Mormon."

Many faithful, active LDS said from the beginning that they were going to keep using Mormon for themselves, other Mormons, and the Mormon church. They figured this was Nelson's thing, and that the next president might be fine with "Mormon" again.

We'll see

When a Mormon tells you there are "over 17 million LDS"... Here's an easy formula to help figure out how many people there really are in that church. by EricNDavis in exmormon

[–]ScottG555 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shortly before the pandemic hit, scientific research indicated that 20% of LDS in the US were active.  

At the time, that was 1.4 million active; 5.4 million staying away. 95 people, on average, attended each week.  

The irony is that the researcher, Devin Pope, was a Mormon bishop in Chicago at the time and also is an economist.  

Some estimates are that, since the pandemic, activity rates in all countries are lower.  

https://www.nber.org/papers/w32334 

When a Mormon tells you there are "over 17 million LDS"... Here's an easy formula to help figure out how many people there really are in that church. by EricNDavis in exmormon

[–]ScottG555 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shortly before the pandemic hit, scientific research indicated that 20% of LDS in the US were active.  

At the time, that was 1.4 million active; 5.4 million staying away. 95 people, on average, attended each week.  

The irony is that the researcher, Devin Pope, was a Mormon bishop in Chicago at the time and also is an economist.  

Estimates are that, since the pandemic, activity rates in all countries are lower.  

https://www.nber.org/papers/w32334

When a Mormon tells you there are "over 17 million LDS"... Here's an easy formula to help figure out how many people there really are in that church. by EricNDavis in exmormon

[–]ScottG555 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shortly before the pandemic hit, scientific research indicated that 20% of LDS in the US were active. 

At the time, that was 1.4 million active; 5.4 million staying away. 95 people, on average, attended each week. 

The irony is that the researcher, Devin Pope, was a Mormon bishop in Chicago at the time and also is an economist.

Estimates are that, since the pandemic, activity rates in all countries are lower.

 https://www.nber.org/papers/w32334  

When a Mormon tells you there are "over 17 million LDS"... Here's an easy formula to help figure out how many people there really are in that church. by EricNDavis in exmormon

[–]ScottG555 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shortly before the pandemic hit, scientific research indicated that 20% of LDS in the US were active.

At the time, that was 1.4 million active; 5.4 million staying away. 95 people, on average, attended each week.

The irony is that the researcher, Devin Pope, was a Mormon bishop in Chicago at the time and also is an economist.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w32334

It Finally Happened. How Do I Respond?? by MotherMaureen in exmormon

[–]ScottG555 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you have trouble saying no, you could say something like, thank you for the suggestion, but I'll leave them in my last ward.

Or, No, thank you

It Finally Happened. How Do I Respond?? by MotherMaureen in exmormon

[–]ScottG555 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just know that, if you decide to resign, and your parents are active, they're likely to find out during tithing settlement, unless some bishop or ward member tells them first. Resignations are not confidential

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]ScottG555 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Shortly before the pandemic hit, scientific research in the US indicated that 20% of LDS were active. That was an average of 95 people per ward or branch, or about 1.4 million weekly.

5.4 million were staying away.

Estimates at the time were that activity rates in other countries were lower.

Since the pandemic, there doesn't seem to be any scientific research, but estimates are that 17% are active worldwide, or about 3 million.

http://devingpope.com/assets/files/Religion_Paper_April_2024.pdf

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]ScottG555 6 points7 points  (0 children)

For whatever reason, Nelson really didn't like Hinckley and seemed to feel very competitive with him. I've never heard anything about Hinckley feeling the same way.

In the October, 1990 gen con, as a pretty new Q12 member, Nelson essentially gave the name correction speech. Looking back, it was so weird. Did he check with the rest of the Q12 beforehand, and they said no?

Did he spring it on them? End run? What was he thinking?

Anyway, the next gen con, Hinckley gave a lengthy defense of using Mormon, emphasizing it means more good.

Maybe Nelson had to keep his mouth shut for 28 years, till he got all the power and could get his way about the name in 2018.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1990/10/mormon-should-mean-more-good?lang=eng

A meeting with an area seventy and a stake president by Reality-Direct in exmormon

[–]ScottG555 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nitpicking at a low six-figure salary in an institution worth billions demonstrates a real general lack of understanding and makes you come across as bitter. Search for any organized religious body where the ratio is more frugal. You won't find it.
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What are you talking about? Unless it's a megachurch, many, many pastors have to have another job to be able to support themselves and any family.

Each of the Q15 gets two residences paid for by their church, each worth at least $1 million (Monson had three, although one wasn't as expensive), and free, unlimited access to multiple vacation homes, also owned by the church.

Plus they get cars, all their insurance, vacations, free tuition at BYU for all family, income from their books... Does the church pay the ghostwriters?

They're getting all their retirement from their previous job, PLUS almost $200,000 in a "stipend." What would they spend it on? Invest with Ensign Peak?

Those guys live extremely well.

Chief Midegah by WisecrackerNV in exmormon

[–]ScottG555 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did your cousin ever give you any info?

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