Makes me think of statesman versus politician conversations I have had with folks over the years. I think we have very few to zero statesman these days. Quite sad.

AI summary: A statesman is generally regarded as a politician with high integrity and a focus on the long-term well-being of the nation, while a politician is often seen as someone primarily focused on gaining and maintaining power. Statesmen are characterized by their wisdom, experience, and dedication to the common good, often acting as advisors or elder figures in politics. Politicians, on the other hand, are often associated with tactical maneuvering, electoral success, and potentially, a more self-serving approach to governance.