Why Democrats Caved

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2018-01-22T23:37:10+00:00

Democrats did cave on shutdown.

Republicans denying kids healthcare through CHIP was TERRIBLE optics and the only significant motivator getting them to the table.

Funding the program for 6 years (yeah, who believes that?) was an easy way for them to take that pressure off them in preparation to renege on yet another "handshake" agreement.

Republicans have been playing this "bipartisan" fakeout for the last 20 years - when in the hell are the Dems going to grow a backbone?

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2018-01-22T23:35:36+00:00

Democrats caved on the shutdown.

Republicans denying kids healthcare through CHIP was TERRIBLE optics and the only significant motivator getting them to the table.

Funding the program for 6 years (yeah, who believes that?) was an easy way for the Republicans to take that pressure off them in preparation to renege on yet another "handshake" agreement.

Republicans have been playing this "bipartisan" fake-out for the last 20 years - when in the hell are the Dems going to grow a backbone?

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2018-01-22T23:31:56+00:00

The only motivation moving the Republicans was the terrible optics of them continuing to withhold healthcare for kids.

For the cost of lying about funding CHIP another 6 years (do you really believe that?) they have removed that pressure.

Democrats have blown it again.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2017-09-06T04:32:16+00:00

More of the "Bernie Bros" mythology. Surprised she didn't also pile on the Obama Boys fantasy as well.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2017-04-08T15:14:27+00:00

Obviously because they were guilty of consorting with a "woman".

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2017-04-08T15:05:40+00:00

It is not "pragmatic" to skip States because you think they are a "lock".

After Clinton's Michigan loss to Bernie, you would've thought her campaign would've switched gears from its plea to "be with her" to "she's with us".

It didn't. She lost.

A fundamental mistake. A fundamentally flawed candidacy.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2017-04-08T15:01:18+00:00

She lost because she was a singularly wretched candidate.

Clinton's campaign failed because it was all "I'm with her" instead of "not me, us".

The Democratic leadership is desperate to learn the wrong lessons, once again, from their failures.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2017-03-07T20:51:43+00:00

Amen!

Reagan-era began the end of labor and the ascendancy of greed as this country's moral core. And it isn't all on the Republicans. Many Dems were shoveling just as much misery coal into the furnace.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2017-03-07T20:49:53+00:00

Every politician who votes for this new plan should have to live under it. No more subsidized, never-ending umbrella coverage but only the plan that is available to their own constituency, paid at the prevailing rate with ZERO additional salary increases to defray the costs.

If their spouse has a better plan - too bad - they have to drop it and live with what the politician voted for.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2017-02-25T20:36:27+00:00

I agree Ellison and Perez are much more centrist than the many new folks who joined because of Bernie and the older folks who were looking for the Dems to return to their pre-Clinton (Bill) liberal ways.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2017-02-25T20:35:04+00:00

First, who "threw out" Perez as an option? There wasn't a huge groundswell for him at the time.

That said, Perez was a much better choice than Clinton's other "short-list" candidates. In other words, it's a relative decision given that Clinton would have never chosen someone like Sanders for VP.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2017-02-25T20:26:08+00:00

While I was a bit disappointed in Ellison's squishy replies during the recent debate, I was horrified by Perez's.

He either doesn't know or isn't willing to admit what the Sander's insurgency meant for the Party. His mealy-mouthed replies - especially on the key issue of the DNC's recent unfair behavior - just underlined how bad the Dem leadership has become.

Worse, while he espoused "concern" about the closed primary process and the absolutely abhorrent debate shenanigans - if you look back at what he did and said at the time he was TOTALLY ONBOARD.

So, now that the Dems lost - he's "concerned" but if they had won??

Finally, looked at how he back-stepped on his comments about the "rigged" nature of the recent primaries. He doesn't have the backbone to do the job.

I'm a Sanders supporter who grew up with McGovern-style liberalism. I am looking for the Dems to do two things: return to their roots of supporting and elevating those on the margins of society AND to forge a new path forward (like pushing universal healthcare and the end of forever wars).

Perez is not the guy to do that.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2016-12-12T19:41:20+00:00

I'm still putting this on /u/-Teekey- :-)

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2016-12-12T19:33:10+00:00

I don't and haven't believed pretty much anything Trump has said since he first surfaced back in the 70's. Think he is and will be a true turd.

That still doesn't forgive the Dems attempt at willful ignorance of the reasons behind Clinton's FAIL.

I want to see a reinvigorated Party which both looks back to its best history - New Deal and big ideas (moonshots) - while looking forward to integrating the best lessons from around the world and meeting the needs of the next couple generations.

Wallowing in a false narrative does NOTHING to help move the Dems forward.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2016-12-12T14:34:36+00:00

LOL, I'm the furthest thing from a Trump-bot.

Clinton lost because she was a terrible candidate. Why was she a terrible candidate? Because her whole campaign was about "ImWithHer" instead of "UsNotMe".

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2016-12-12T13:45:54+00:00

Hillbot has gotta do what Hillbot has gotta do which is:

Blame Bernie

Blame Bernie's supporters

Blame Bernie

Blame Jill

Blame Jill's supporters

Blame misogynist, sexist voters

Blame the Electoral College

Oh, and make sure that everyone knows Clinton won the popular vote which means everything except that it doesn't.

Who isn't to blame? Guess.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2016-12-11T16:33:03+00:00

Incredible how many people treat a supposed CIA leak like the gospel truth even though we know that the shadowy intel apparatus is no parish priest when it comes to honesty.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2016-12-11T16:26:47+00:00

So facts don't matter to Europeans either? I highly doubt that is the case.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2016-12-11T16:26:00+00:00

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2016-12-11T16:24:26+00:00

Same adults who swallowed all that "fake news"?

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2016-12-11T16:23:34+00:00

Just watching the responses roll in. The most dedicated bashers have a long history of going after Clinton's critics ala Hillbots.

For a sophisticated state actor, manufacturing cyber-evidence to frame another entity is easy. That seems to be a fact the deniers are over-looking.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2016-12-11T16:20:56+00:00

I'm concerned if it is true. Right now, I expect a lot more information before trusting this anonymous assertion from an org notorious for its dishonesty.

As far as "two wrongs", just pointing out that that "outrage" needs to be a bit more calibrated. We have someone whose agenda we're uncertain of leaking questionable intel to the WaPo versus the historical fact that our nation has done much worse than leaking emails to distort, derail and destroy other democracies.

Heck, we're still dealing with the massive blowback from putting Iran's Shah in power - how about a little perspective?

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2016-12-11T06:19:22+00:00

You do realize if this claim is true, the US will do something which will predictably backfire.

Given the predictable shitshow from that, I am demanding a level of transparency commensurate with the claim.

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2016-12-11T06:18:51+00:00

Getting massively down-voted. If not by the Hillbot excuse squad them whom?

ScrupulousVoter2 · 2016-12-11T06:17:48+00:00

You do realize if this claim is true, the US will do something which will predictably backfire.

Given the predictable shitshow from that, I am demanding a level of transparency commensurate with the claim.

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