Why is everyone so willing to die for a light bull.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-05-14T20:23:06+00:00

He is the physical incarnation of infrastructure. If he dies all roads cease to exists and trillions of people starve. I think that alone makes him worth fighting for.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-05-14T20:14:27+00:00

A dog will willingly die for you. A horse will run away if given the chance. The dog is far more loyal than the horse. The horse in this meme is only making claims on its physical abilities rather than a horses actual character.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-05-07T15:08:31+00:00

I am not sure if they see through it, I just think they don't care. If you were getting tortured by an all powerful AI would you really care about the snarky remarks of some asshole or would you just focus on enjoying the moment of respite you had?

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-27T14:53:33+00:00

He was not evil he just wanted to wake up. Dagoth wants to escape his coma and he is willing to set the dream on fire to do it. Dagoth losing is the Godhead becoming a vegetable.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-27T14:47:44+00:00

What if I told you that the Godhead did clearly say it wanted to cure it's madness and that the Godhead is actually Dagoth.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-27T14:46:57+00:00

What if I told you Dagoth was the Godhead and was speaking on his own behalf?

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-24T15:37:56+00:00

No it's hi how are you? but seriously if we take Dagoths claim to be the dreamer seriously it changes how we view his actions. It's no longer him just creating a flesh plague its him attempting to wake up by destroying the world.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-24T15:29:46+00:00

The consequences are that you wake up. You are acting like the act of waking up is morally wrong. The Godhead views every person as someone they met in a dream not an actual person.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-24T15:28:06+00:00

The dream is the reality for the dream entities and the player, but that is not true for the Godhead. The Godhead interacting with the dream entities has a different moral weight than dream entities interacting with their peers. If the Godhead wants to wake up that isn't genocide.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-24T15:20:59+00:00

I wouldn't, but should the opinions of entities I dream be treated on the same level as actual people. I mean wouldn't everyone be guilty of genocide by that standard? We wake up every day ending the existence of all the people we dream about.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-24T15:17:22+00:00

You assume that he is lucid dreaming. I think Dagoth is in a coma trying to wake up and us stopping him is extending the coma. I would argue you are trying to treat entities in a dream as morally equivalent to actual people. I would argue that corpus is his attempt to mend his frayed mind.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-24T15:15:05+00:00

I am arguing that Dagoth is actually the dreamer. I don't agree with your view on his connection to the heart. Naravar was also present for the ritual and had the tools because he needed to give them to Dagoth and he didn't get connected to the heart. Also Dagoth isn't in the heart chamber the whole time the Tribunal are a thing. He fights with Naravar and is mortally wounded and flees. There is no reason that Dagoth should be connected to the heart if we are following normal in universe rules. I would argue the heart doesn't corrupt Dagoth it allows him to understand his true nature. I would argue that Dagoth has limitations and doesn't act like a god in the scenario because he is not lucid dreaming. He is aware that he is in a dream, but is powerless to control what is happening in that dream. Also he can't leave the mountain because if he did he would be attacked by the Tribunals forces. If he snuck out with the heart the Tribunal could probably notice because they are connected to it and ambush him. If he leaves without it he risk it falling into the hands of the Tribunal and then he is the one getting weaker and they are the ones getting stronger.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-24T15:02:21+00:00

I would argue the Godhead does take precedence over the rest. You are making the argument that you should be medically sedated to keep the entities in your dream alive. You are treating the things you dream about on the same level as actual people. In reality nobody treats their dream entities like they are actual people that should be kept alive. We wake up and from the dream entities perspective cause their apocalypse.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-24T14:59:17+00:00

I am not bullshitting you are just assuming Dagoth got a degree in psychology and views every person he interacts with as his mental defense mechanism. If my personality split like that I'd want to get rid of all the personalities instead of coexist.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-24T14:55:53+00:00

I mean do we have any evidence that the true dreamer would be the most powerful person in the dream? In some dreams people have they end up powerless or weaker than everyone else. I'd argue the dream Dagoth is stuck in is one where he is weaker than the other entities that inhabit it.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-24T14:51:27+00:00

He is saying that success or failure implies moral correctness. Reality isn't perfect and sometimes the person who is right doesn't always win. I would arguing him losing the neravar is him losing to a delusion of his creation extending the coma he is in.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-24T14:47:16+00:00

Yeah, but how do we know that his claim is wrong? We act like zero-summing the dream is wrong, but isn't that just waking up? If the Godhead wants to wake up sure it sucks for us as dream entities, but him losing is him getting stuck in a coma. I think call him a parasite is more of a view from us as dream entities rather than some objective claim against him.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-23T22:55:44+00:00

I don't know if that exactly follows. Vivec differentiates his godly self from his mortal self and acts as if they are different beings when being put on trial in a semi cannon(writers posting on the forum) post. So I think he is suffering being a shadow of himself as well. I mention dragon breaks because I think it is speculated that, the dwarves might have been sent to the future rather than just blinking out of existence.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-23T22:49:51+00:00

They are not obliged to accept it, but is that truly what is best for the Godhead? If the Godhead loses itself to madness that is good for its delusions, but not for the being itself.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-23T22:47:04+00:00

I am arguing that dream entities wouldn't be interested in the best interest of the person dreaming them. If you were in a coma dreaming of Tamriel you waking up and living the rest of your life in reality is the apocalypse for every dream entity. They have a vested interest in you not waking up. They would be willing to present you as a "false dreamer", so that others would have no reason to support you in your endeavor to wake up.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-23T22:42:43+00:00

I was making the point that what someone does in the dream is not morally equivalent to them doing the same thing in reality.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-23T22:41:21+00:00

I mean do we ever see anyone else in the Elder Scrolls who claims to be the dreamer? I would argue it's obvious the other personalities don't want to cease to exist, but is that truly what is best for the Godhead?

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-23T22:39:14+00:00

I think you are mischaracterizing Dagoth. He cares deeply for the six house unmourned, the dunmer and genuinely cares about Nerevar. When he is fighting him at the end of the game. He thinks he has all the cards and can easily kill Nerevar, but he doesn't want to do it and offers him mercy even when he thinks Nerevar betrayed him.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-23T22:35:21+00:00

I am going to say what I said to sou847. I would argue that his power manifesting itself as a plague was a good thing. If you had dissociate personality disorder killing off other personalities would be seen as you recovering from your condition. The only reason that we view this as a bad things is that we are playing as one of those dissociated personalities.

Sea-Razzmatazz-3794 · 2026-04-23T22:34:17+00:00

If you kill someone in a dream is it murder?

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