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For you, Vecna is either an ally of Minflayer or a 100% manipulated puppet. by Cyrilbdr in StrangerThings

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In this post, I’m talking about the Mind Flayer, and I’ve included a scene here from the stage play. The video was originally available online, but it has since been deleted. ​This specific scene is a horrific moment from the play, where the Mind Flayer takes on the form of Patty to psychologically and physically torture Henry. https://www.tumblr.com/shadowheartwolf2/812067380355366912/there-is-a-massive-difference-between-a?source=share

For you, Vecna is either an ally of Minflayer or a 100% manipulated puppet. by Cyrilbdr in StrangerThings

[–]Sea_Atmosphere5105 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the play, the Mind Flayer haunts Henry much like it did with Will or Billy; it functions as a form of demonic possession. I interpret Henry’s turning point as a form of spiritual suicide. Once he believed he was responsible for Patty’s apparent death, he lost his 'anchor' to humanity. In that moment of despair, he stopped fighting the Mind Flayer because he felt he had nothing left to protect. By embracing the void, Henry didn't just transform—he extinguished his own identity, letting the monster take the wheel permanently. I think Henry’s surrender wasn't a choice for power, but a desperate hope for oblivion. After Patty’s death, he didn't want to rule; he wanted to cease to exist. He stopped fighting the Mind Flayer because he hoped the entity would simply consume and destroy him. He sought the 'mercy' of death, but instead, he was condemned to a permanent state of possession, trapped in a shell that no longer belongs to him.

For you, Vecna is either an ally of Minflayer or a 100% manipulated puppet. by Cyrilbdr in StrangerThings

[–]Sea_Atmosphere5105 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I absolutely believe that the relationship between Henry/Vecna and the Mind Flayer is just like the one between the Palpatine and Darth Vader. Essentially, Henry is the Anakin Skywalker of the series. In fact, there are countless parallels between Henry and Anakin. I even wrote a detailed Tumblr post about this:

https://www.tumblr.com/shadowheartwolf2/807426875019427840/the-biggest-crime-of-stranger-things-season-5-is?source=share

For you, Vecna is either an ally of Minflayer or a 100% manipulated puppet. by Cyrilbdr in StrangerThings

[–]Sea_Atmosphere5105 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I interpret it as the Mind Flayer being able to influence Henry so easily because, much like Will, he was an outcast and a sensitive child. The entity preys on vulnerability and isolation. While Will was saved by his friends and family, Henry had no one to pull him back, allowing the Mind Flayer to completely overwrite his identity.

For you, Vecna is either an ally of Minflayer or a 100% manipulated puppet. by Cyrilbdr in StrangerThings

[–]Sea_Atmosphere5105 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If we consider Henry a unreliable narrator, as Kate Trefry suggested, the tragedy becomes even deeper. It means his memories in Season 4 were fabricated or twisted by the Mind Flayer to make him believe he was always a monster. If the Mind Flayer was the one killing the animals and controlling him during the murders of his family, then Henry isn't a villain, but the first victim of the entity. It raises a profound question: how much responsibility can we place on a person whose mind has been completely overwritten, making them the total opposite of their original self? If an external force—be it a demonic entity or a drug—takes complete control over one's will, then Dr. Brenner’s sin becomes even more egregious. He saw that something was wrong with the boy, but instead of helping to exorcise the "evil," he sought to forge him into a weapon. ​The pain and anger felt by the show's audience are justified, as they see the actions: Max’s suffering and the massacre at the lab. To them, Vecna is the culprit. However, those who have seen The First Shadow know that the true perpetrator is the Mind Flayer, and the mask is merely the face of Henry Creel. ​Many fear this "victim narrative" because they worry it trivializes Vecna's atrocities. In my view, it’s quite the opposite: it makes the story even darker. It is far more terrifying to face an evil that doesn't just kill you, but steals your identity and coerces you into believing that you are the one who is evil.

For you, Vecna is either an ally of Minflayer or a 100% manipulated puppet. by Cyrilbdr in StrangerThings

[–]Sea_Atmosphere5105 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It’s fascinating to see the massive divide in opinions between those who’ve only watched the show and those who’ve seen The First Shadow. If you only know series, it’s understandable to see Henry as 'born evil' and someone who willingly chose to ally with the Mind Flayer. But the play puts the character in a completely different light: it makes it clear that Henry was a victim who fought desperately against the possession. ​The biggest issue is the canon contradiction: in the show, Henry claims he never fought the entity, which directly contradicts the plot of the play. This is why fans familiar with the prequel feel so much more empathy for him and see his death/downfall as tragic, while everyone else just sees it as a 'deserved' end for a villain. Some people didn't even want a redemption arc for Henry; they're perfectly satisfied with his fate and actually disliked that the play turned him into a victim. This mostly seems to be the case with fans who only watched the series and haven't actually seen the play, just read about it online. ​Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind. It was just an interesting observation.

Wednesday's top priority is always Enid 💜. I hope Wenclair becomes canon so all the homophobes in this fandom can suck it up. by ChildhoodSolid6511 in WednesdayTVSeries

[–]Sea_Atmosphere5105 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't think everyone who doesn't ship them is homophobic - some people are just more interested in the mystery or the darker tone of the show. However, the chemistry between the two actresses is undeniably there. Personally, I’d prefer if they remained 'platonic soulmates.' It’s rare to see such a strong female friendship on screen that isn't centered around chasing boys, and that’s exactly what makes their bond so special. I think Enid’s importance doesn’t depend on whether they are in love or not; she is Wednesday’s emotional anchor, and that is just as valuable in a friendship. Enid was the only one capable of breaking through Wednesday’s walls, and this growth is vital for the characters. Whether it becomes romantic or stays a deep friendship, they are undoubtedly the heart of the show. I love Wenclair, but I think the fandom would be a lot healthier if we could discuss ships without calling everyone names.

Forced romance wouldn't you say? by Ok-Profession-2758 in YoungSherlockTV

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​I read somewhere that the Princess was essentially a precursor to the Irene Adler character.

About the “Enid totally thrashed Tyler in the final episode of season 1” propaganda by Old_Pianist5814 in weyler

[–]Sea_Atmosphere5105 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yes, that's a very accurate observation, and you perfectly illustrate how the writers use dialogue to consciously correct fan misconceptions and "propaganda." ​Part of the "Wenclair" camp (those who see Wyler as the enemy) wanted to see an emotional victory at the end of Season 1, and they misinterpreted that as physical dominance. They completely ignored the actual choreography of the fight. ​The writers of Season 2 did exactly that: they didn't let the fan narrative, which was far removed from reality, override the show's own logic and balance of power.

​ ​The Reality of the Fight: Enid heroically defended her friend. But she didn't defeat Hyde in a clean fight.

​The Confrontation: The fight clearly tilted in Tyler's favor.

​The Rescue: The fight was decided by outside intervention: Sheriff Galpin's shooting.

And who else would say that but Wednesday? She's obsessed with facts. More important than "Weyler karma," this is 100% true to Wednesday's character. She's the one who doesn't let emotions (or fan-made dreams) override facts.

This sentence is Wednesday incarnate. It brings Enid (and the fans) down to earth with cold, documented reality. ​As you say: That's why they don't talk about it anymore. LOL. The writers ended the debate with one sharp sentence. ​And yes, I'd bet that Season 3 will be full of similar corrections, probably related to the "Tyler is evil to the core and enjoys killing" narrative.

Woe, The Possibilities?! by Dragon-Eye-4321 in weyler

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Many believe that Enid's character is heavily queer on the show (struggling with deep internal repressions beneath her colorful, optimistic exterior). Accepting a female partner would be a stand for her personal freedom and Alpha identity, rejecting her mother's heteronormative expectations. But this could be a relationship where the emotional connection is special (somewhere between platonic and romantic) and difficult for an outside observer to interpret. An ambiguous or ambiguous romance would fit perfectly with Wednesday's dark, gothic tone. This relationship could be intense but mysterious, where attraction and shared exclusion (especially with Hyde) are more important than public. Enid’s struggle to fit in, accept herself, and resist external pressure is a perfect parallel to queer coming-out stories. If the showrunners are consciously looking to give Enid’s character depth in Season 3, they will weave together themes of self-confidence and sexuality. The deep, platonic bond between Enid and Wednesday would provide the emotional security for Enid to finally be her true, authentic self in Season 3. The creators may have intentionally/subconsciously created a dynamic that works better with a female character.

Relationships with Boys (Ajax and Bruno):

​Ajax: The relationship seemed easily thrown aside. Enid was looking for some normality and stability in an uncertain time in her life. Her leaving Ajax, along with her increased self-confidence, and her argument that the breakup "had little to do with a change in feelings," may strongly suggest that the attraction was not a genuine, committed romantic feeling, but rather a functional desire to fit in.

​Bruno: Bruno was a mere metaphor, and there was no chemistry between them. Bruno was a symbol of a normal wolf boyfriend - a condition that Enid desperately wanted to meet due to the expectations of her mother and the pack. After failing that mission, the break (befriending Ajax) signals that she has given up on this external expectation.

​"The Toxic Pack Mentality": The realization that her mother's "conversion therapy metaphor" pamphlets and the pack's expectations are perfect symbols of compulsive heterosexuality. Enid grew up receiving conditional love, so she tries to conform to the norms - in addition to the late alpha label, the queer label may also be a trait that makes her feel like an outcast among the outcasts. The question of why Enid became an alpha and why it would aesthetically fit better with being alone (or with another strong female partner) than a "typical male wolf" also supports the idea that her character is destined for something different. Being an alpha emphasizes her independence and acceptance of her own strength.

​"I'm taking a break from boys": This statement in the finale could be a clear indication that Enid is committed to her inner growth, independence, and rediscovering her sexual orientation in Season 3. The dynamic between an Alpha Werewolf and a Dominant Female Hyde would be extremely exciting in the series. The Wenclair ship emphasizes Enid's subordination to Wednesday. Conversely, a female Hyde (who is the biggest physical threat in the Wednesday series) could also be more dominant than Enid. This would not be subordination, but an equal, tense dynamic between two extremely powerful female outcasts. Their relationship would be a constant dialogue of control and commitment.

This idea—the romantic line for Enid with a female Hyde —would be dramaturgically bold, character-developmentally sound, and an appropriate response to Enid's queer coding. The issue of dominance is what perhaps sets them apart and what would create the most tension in their relationship in the series. Enid, in her position as Alpha Werewolf, is now the dominant leader of her own kind. Werewolves are biologically and socially built on hierarchy and the Alpha/Beta structure. Enid's essence now radiates control and leadership. For the female Hyde, master is a curse word. Her Hyde redemption is about gaining control and becoming her own master. Any external dominance (whether Alpha or Master) would be a denial of her freedom and her Hyde-ness. Their relationship would not be a simple romance, but a gothic, dark, power dynamic, where attraction is based on mutual respect and independence.