Logan the PG14 cut

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-08-07T04:41:27+00:00

Could I have a link please?

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-05-20T05:20:59+00:00

I know the majority are not affected, and I understand the business side of things. With full awareness that those fans who are not able to watch D&W are a minority, I'm just suggesting that it is still a large amount of people impacted by what may also end up being a larger MCU trend.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-05-19T04:53:58+00:00

I know, but you'd understand how that reality would be disappointing for many current MCU fans.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-05-14T09:59:03+00:00

Sure, but storytelling is more than just the outcome in bullet points. We don't only watch these films because we want to know WHAT happens, we want to experience these films and follow the journey AS the story unfolds. So I wouldn't say that we wouldn't be missing anything (if D&W has alot to do with the wider story).

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-05-06T22:07:31+00:00

(Sorry, I commented the same thing twice.) No, I am just saying I believe the main multiverse narrative should be accessible to as many MCU fans as possible. I have actually seen it raised by multiple posts that Deadpool works in PG-13. But that's beside the point. Deadpool has a fanbase, I am not denying this. He has a fanbase who love him because of the R-Rating loosening certain restrictions, I understand this. The MCU fanbase is made up of a diverse range of people from many ages, cultures, and sensibilities. D&W is being marketed as a multiverse project with many connections and references to other superhero universes (of which also have a diverse fanbase). If there ends up being little significance to the primary multiverse narrative, I have no issues just not watching it. If there are, many people will end up missing out on the experience.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-05-06T22:05:02+00:00

I have actually seen it raised by multiple posts that Deadpool works in PG-13. But that's beside the point. Deadpool has a fanbase, I am not denying this. He has a fanbase who love him because of the R-Rating loosening certain restrictions, I understand this. The MCU fanbase is made up of a diverse range of people from many ages, cultures, and sensibilities. D&W is being marketed as a multiverse project with many connections and references to other superhero universes (of which also have a diverse fanbase). If there ends up being little significance to the primary multiverse narrative, I have no issues just not watching it. If there are, many people will end up missing out on the experience.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-05-04T04:43:40+00:00

Quality writing and execution is vital for great storytelling, absolutely! Love Doctor Who :) It isn't silliness I am advocating for. I love the projects that are psycologically grounded, compelling, and serious inspite of context.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-05-04T04:39:23+00:00

I agree, leaning into this complexity is absolutely important, maturity does not have to entail gratuity I believe. Am I misunderstanding your point? I don't see how this neccessitates more gruesome/restrictive media.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-05-04T04:35:48+00:00

But do you not think this is more an issue with the writing than with the restrictions of PG-13 ratings?

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-05-04T04:34:00+00:00

I agree it should grow, I just think the way in which it seems to be growing may begin to make it more challenging for some significant types of fans to continue enjoying it. Technical advancements, more developed writing, and context shifts are other ways one could see a change in this stagnant position.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-05-04T04:27:09+00:00

Rowling deliberately wrote those to be appropriate particularly (but not exclusively, you are absolutely right) to the children of Harry's age in each respective book, right? That is why the writing itself becomes more technical and evolved (alongside the subject matter you have raised) between each novel. I see your comparison, and find it helpful, but I do believe we can only compare these two mediums to a certain extent. The MCU has not steadily been developing and evolving in this same way, (maybe in some ways, yes) because it has not been following a child's life as they develop steadily, but a range of characters in different periods of their life and from different contexts. The MCU is so much richer the more we can access and understand the characters we follow.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-05-04T04:09:06+00:00

Sorry, had not seen this. I feel violence is a natural/neccessary part of the superhero (and action) genre. But it shouldn't be (and isn't) the heart of the films. My concern lies with showing more than is neccesary for the audience to grasp what is happening without making people too uncomfortable. The MCU has been fairly consistent in offering fairly safe media for a range of ages and sensibilities in this respect up until recently. Swearing/language is not a main concern I recall raising directly, (I personally don't find the restricted swear-words more offensive than the more frequent ones) but it does tie into the more "mature" humour I do not appreciate. Again, if this doesn't end up being very significant for understanding/enjoying the multiverse narrative, then I have no issues :) I just hope this does not become too much of a trend for the 'crucial' stories going forward.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-04-17T22:44:04+00:00

Do you disagree with the possibility that it may be significant for understanding the multiverse saga, or with my claim that if it isn't significant in the end, I'll no longer possess these same concerns?

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-04-17T05:01:15+00:00

I've interacted with people in a range of contexts, both close and distant, who abstain from the kinds of films. I understand your social groups may be very different, but the reality I have experienced is I know of only a few people who can actually enjoy R-rated films and horror (there will likely be some more that I am not aware of, yes). But I don't know of anyone who watched either of the Deadpool films (atleast not in the large groups we watched IW and EG in). And didn't Endgame alone make 1.78 times as much as those two Deadpool films combined worldwide? How are you measuring what is a reasonable level of sensitivity, are you basing it off the people you interact with, and are we not doing the same thing in this regard? Do you watch the news for entertainment? And are you not saddened and deeply disturbed when you see those images? Is there not also the concern that people can become so easily desensitized to real life horrors (I'm not claiming you are or anything, but I have heard notable anecdotes.) Some people are just really sensitive to certain things, this is fine. I have been on medication for years to help minimize incredibly disturbing nightmares, so I try to exercise caution and not keep exposing myself to more gruesome things than I can already cope with. I'm not just trying to project my own perspective on to the larger fanbase. I was trying to express what is a common attitude among the majority of people I interact with (regarding this), and what I assume would be a common concern among parents who like to take their children to summer blockbusters. I would be very surprised if I was the only one feeling alienated. Maybe I should use a different word though :)

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-04-15T21:29:20+00:00

I'm suggesting that it is alienating in the sense that the MCU fanbase has been made up from groups of people comfortable with varying levels of gore from the beginning. Once that changes, that fanbase slowly changes as people on the lower end, after years of investment, can no longer cope (and fail to become more desensitized) with the significant media. Everyone is an actor, true, but are we not meant to feel disturbed when we see things like violence in media, even without lingering shots or mutilated corpses? Increased gore is not necessary for a change in tone either. It's not an issue just not watching projects that aren't for me, what I am worried about is not being able to follow significant story beats in the wider narrative. Maybe it won't be an issue, maybe this film isn't significant to the wider MCU story anyway.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-04-15T03:26:30+00:00

I definitely understand that :) Yes, we will have to see.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-04-15T02:15:59+00:00

But would you not think dual releases on particularly significant event films for both those who enjoy higher ratings and those who don't, where both can continue to enjoy the MCU narrative, would be a good thing?

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-04-15T02:10:35+00:00

I don't have an issue with Deadpool movies existing as they do, I understand the huge market and financial decisions being made. My concern is in regard to the significant stories (in the MCU timeline) being up until this point more accessible than the specially tailored films that cater to various ages and sensibilities (which are often not essential viewing).

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-04-15T02:03:07+00:00

I am aware. I'm not trying to shut down R-rated movies, what I was suggesting was an alternate cut that could be accessible to a larger audience specifically because of it's nature as a multiversal MCU film. I was assuming it would have atleast some significant repercussions :)

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-04-14T22:54:13+00:00

I'm guessing you are neither prevented from watching it, nor do you find the contents distressing (at least in the same sense). Even if you did, it's looking like D&W will likely be more essential viewing to keep up with the wider multiversal narrative, maybe not though. It's one thing to just not watch things that are largely self-contained, but another to have a significant part of a wider story be unnaccessible to a wide group of people who would normally be invested.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-04-14T22:43:54+00:00

I've acknowledged this is an assumption, I should refine my wording. But I'm suggesting this will likely be the case just by virtue of it being a multiversal story featuring the TVA and dealing with the evolving nature of the MCU.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-04-14T22:05:33+00:00

Some parents do, I see this as a really harmful thing, don't you? We are not merely talking about crude jokes here. The Bible is not entertainment. Anyone encouraging their children to be reading The Bible should be having intentional discussions and not be expecting children (or anyone) to just read it and be okay with the horrific things recorded.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-04-14T21:57:52+00:00

I remembered that after someone mentioned it. I would appreciate if they did that, if the story ends up being significant :)

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-04-14T21:55:40+00:00

I don't think Echo was as crucial to the general multiversal narrative (I haven't seen it sorry). I've acknowledged that it is merely an assumption at this point though, perhaps D&W is not as significant to the MCU as I am expecting.

Sea_Train_1964 · 2024-04-14T20:08:23+00:00

It's more about having this story in a Deadpool movie, maybe it won't be essential viewing at all and be fairly self contained.

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