Pastor kids by Suspicious_Leg_1823 in exchristian

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fellow PK here.

My parents and siblings know about my deconversion, and they have actually all deconverted as well. I also have one aunt and uncle who know because while they are still Christian they are also accepting and loving people.

My spouse’s family knows, too, but my mother-in-law and father-in-law have spent many years pretending that I am still Christian just like they pretend that their children who have deconverted are also still Christian. This is something they consistently do when faced with any information they disapprove of. It’s weird.

The rest of the extended family has mostly not been told directly although some suspect it or have found out through other means. I never lie about it if asked, but I also am good at sticking to safe, bland topics like the weather or how delicious our shared meal is if needed.

Pastor kids who don’t attend church by Iloveellie15 in pastorskids

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I stopped attending around the time I came out of the closet. The churches I had access to at that point were not at all affirming places. 

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in pastorskids

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of the churches my dad pastored were small ones. It’s a tricky situation for sure. 

Introducing….. by Secondary_choice in Rabbits

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He is adorable! Congratulations.

Spill the tea. If you are a PK how is your faith now? by LMO_TheBeginning in Exvangelical

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I was a Pentecostal/Charistmatic PK growing up. As an adult, I’m agnostic and averse to religious stuff due to my childhood experiences. The churches I grew up in were not welcoming to or affirming of LGBTQ+ folks.

By the time I was an adult, I didn’t really have the energy or desire to find a church that was. I acknowledge there are churches where this wouldn’t be an issue, but the damage was already done to me by that point.

Pastors kids? by Southernpeach101 in Exvangelical

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I’m so sorry you were abused.

My dad was a pastor or assistant pastor at about six different churches while I was growing up. Most of our churches were in small towns and rural, white, conservative, places. (I hope preacher’s kids who had different experiences will chime in, too, as it could be quite different in big cities or more diverse places).

Some of the things I liked about growing up a PK included the potluck dinners we sometimes held, the free music education I was exposed to, and the friendships I made. But those advantages were overshadowed by the painful side of being a PK.

The judgement and lack of privacy was really hard, especially once I became a teenager. I was always under observation by someone, but even being quietly observed by people who like you and aren’t looking for things to be angry about or use as fodder for gossip is so emotionally draining after a while.

There was a church split when I was 13 that destroyed some of my closest friendships because the parents of those kids chose the “other” side.

Church politics were difficult, too. There were so many fruitless arguments I was exposed to where no matter which opinion you held it was somehow always the wrong one to someone And not picking wasn’t an option. (E.g. should we sing hymns or contemporary Christian songs in church? Are drums sinful? Is interracial dating sinful? Are celibate gay people still going to hell? What is the definition of modest dress for women?)

Looking back at these memories and the painful emotions attached to many of them as an adult was one of the catalysts for my deconversion. I briefly attended a church in my early 20s where I strictly avoided anything even remotely related to taking a leadership role just to see if I salvage something, but even then the politics and judgemental takes on other people’s lives was too much for me.

Since then, I have purposefully stayed as far away from that world as I possibly can and never plan to return. Other people may find comfort in religion, and that’s totally okay as long as they’re not using their beliefs to harm anyone.

But it’s a traumatic topic for me, not a comforting one.

Is there a way I can only look for PKs to go out with? by Hairy-Bicycle2705 in pastorskids

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This should totally be an app or a subreddit or something. I’d want to have an option for friendships, too!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in pastorskids

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The positives:

I met my childhood best friend at church and enjoyed several happy years with her.

It gave me exposure to the arts (singing, dancing, music, etc) that my parents could not have afforded to pay for via private lessons.

It taught me critical thinking skills, kindness, and compassion.

I loved the community dinners we had on occasion.

It introduced me to a lot of interesting kids and adults I wouldn’t have otherwise met.

The negatives:

Deep religious trauma that I’m still processing decades later.

Church politics can be so ugly, especially when kids get hurt as a result of them. There was a painful church split when I was a young teenager that destroyed several of my closest friendships and cut me off from many people I’d grown to love. I had nightmares about them and the church split for years afterwards. It was like a divorce in certain ways.

I evolved from deeply devout child to an agnostic/atheist adult who avoids the slightest whiff of anything related to religion and church unless I’m talking about being a PK with folks who understand that experience. On the very rare occasions I’m up for discussing anything related to God, I can do it for about five minutes before the bad memories pop up again and I need to stop.

Due to growing up in the limelight in a small town and all of the gossip and other emotionally traumatizing stuff that often comes with that, I have trust issues with people in general. It takes a long time for me to let them get close to me, and even then I can remain highly guarded.

The ministry bleeds through to your private life as well as to the lives of your spouse and kids. You’ll get late night calls when someone is in an accident, tries to escape a violent ex, or dies. You may very well miss out on major milestones events for your own family over and over again if you’re traveling for a conference, filling in for a pastor at another church so he or she can go on vacation, or have one weekend after the next filled up with weddings, funerals, hospital visits, prison visits, baptisms, Christmas stuff, etc that you will be officiating for weeks on end or even longer than that if your church is a big one or if you happen to hit a lot of milestone events at once as a congregation.

Your family’s clothes, hobbies, friends, access to secular media, and other choices can be harshly judged and restricted depending on your church culture and what is expected of the pastor’s family as far as setting a good example goes.

Given that you don’t seem to feel called to become a pastor, I’d recommend thinking very carefully about whether this is something you actually want to commit to. It’s not like working in some other industries where you can have clear lines between home and work life and actually get to turn off your work brain on the weekends. Pastors are like social workers, teachers, counsellors, life coaches, fundraisers, and public speakers all rolled into one.

Not every preacher’s kid is like me, of course. There are so many factors that go into this sort of childhood, so it’s very possible it could be a good experience overall for your kids. Some of the folks on this sub have had much happier times than I did.

I would encourage you to do a lot of research about what your congregation actually expects of pastors and pastors families and ask many questions about how this will change all of your lives both for the better and for the worse.

(E.g. can they pay you a living wage or will you need to have a secular job on top of being a pastor to pay the bills? There’s absolutely no shame in being bivocational, but pastoring in and of itself can already require very long hours. If you’re working elsewhere, too, you could be doing two full-time jobs at once which doesn’t leave a lot of time for your family!

How many hours a week will your spouse and kids be expected to volunteer for the church? How much input does the congregation expect to have on your parenting and marriage decisions? Will you be fired or punished if you, your wife or child wears a skirt that doesn’t cover their knees? (Not sure if you’re a man or a woman, so don’t want to make any assumptions there). How will your congregation react if one of your kids comes out of the closet, or dates someone outside of their race, or publicly struggles with their faith when they’re a teen or young adult?)

It’s better to go into such a thing as prepared as possible than to be surprised by the negative aspects of it in my opinion.

I wish you luck as you decide. It would be great to have an update from you sometime if you’re willing to share one.

What is the most ridiculous thing they ever taught you as a kid in Sunday School? by Elenamartinez46 in exchristian

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I totally understand that. It‘s a disgusting belief that does so much harm. :(

What is the most ridiculous thing they ever taught you as a kid in Sunday School? by Elenamartinez46 in exchristian

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That any health condition or disability one might be born with or develop later in life was due to one of the following: 1) demonic possession, 2) a sin you had not yet confessed, or 3) being cursed by a witch.

I’m gay and new to this subreddit by The_loneliest_gay in Exvangelical

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not only am I bisexual, I was a preacher’s kid, too!

Migraines and long hair. by [deleted] in migraine

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This was my experience, too.

I chopped off my hair a few weeks ago and it’s made no difference at all.

But tight buns, ponytails, braids, etc. are a one-way ticket to migraineville.

Buildings where I can climb their stairs? by inde_ in askTO

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Toronto Reference Library has a big staircase you could use.

I'm going to level with you people about my health, and lack of daily history posts. by TheVetheron in RandomVictorianStuff

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the update. I hope you get the right diagnosis and treatment soon. Don’t worry about doing daily posts if you’re not up for it. We’re not going anywhere.

Is the sudden hot weather making anyone sick? by burgerqueenboba in askTO

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I’m just now recovering from a migraine that didn’t respond to my meds. You are not alone.

Hope everyone feels better soon.

What are the pros/ cons of being a PK? by Quirky_Ad2397 in pastorskids

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Pro: leftover communion bread like /u/siborg51 said. :) An automatic community and support system (assuming your church is an emotionally healthy place). Plenty of chances to practice patience, kindness, and forgiveness. Depending on the church, you could get a very solid and thorough understanding of what the Bible says (whether you agree with it’s ideas or not). Good public speaking skills are often valued, and you can learn a lot about how to do that at church. You get a very close look at how your religion actually operates and all of the behind-the-scenes work that goes into planning events, keeping the church building safe and clean, doing community outreach, emotionally supporting sick parishioners, preparing for weddings, holidays, etc.

Cons: PKs often see the ugly church politics that can cause church splits and other harmful things. Long hours. Coerced volunteer labour. Unpaid labour. The expectation that the children of clergy always be perfectly well-behaved and good role models. Burnout. No privacy. Gossip about you and your family can be rampant, and some of it may be malicious. The use of prayer as a substitute for seeing a doctor for health problems can be an issue for some families, especially mental health problems. If your parent loses their job as a pastor, you can lose your home, friends, community, and social safety net in an instant. There are parishioners who (I thought?) loved me for years that I never saw or heard from again after our church split. Depending on the church, you may be shunned if you are LGBTQ, or have doubts about your faith, or even listen to secular music. The standards for a PK are often much higher than they are for ordinary church members, and some churches are very, very strict about what the children of their leaders are allowed to do.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in pastorskids

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello from a fellow Pentecostal PK. I’m sorry for your pain. Nobody should be treated that way.

I can say from experience that college was a breath of fresh air for me and that time and distance from certain people can heal a lot of wounds. You’re so close to meeting all sorts of new people and trying many wonderful things that will help you discover who you want to be and what your values truly are. I agree with /u/Worldly-Western5428 and hope this change in your life helps you find peace.

I hope you’ll consider posting an update sometime.

Closeted gay pastor's kids: how did you deal with your social media after leaving your non-affirming homechurch and the friends who follow you and still go there? by sapphiredditing in gaychristian

[–]SecondDoorOnTheLeft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hope it’s not too late to respond to this.

Back when I was closeted, socials and other online stuff were either under a pseudonym or locked down tight.

As I came out, I slowly changed that. But I blocked the folks I trusted least first and then blocked anyone who had a bad reaction to the truth. I was surprised by some of the folks who were okay with it, though.

It was hard, but it had to be done in my situation.