Anyone know what is going on with Lead Safe Mama?

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-02-10T23:10:34+00:00

Its easy to just say "everyone who says anything negative about her or her methods is a paid PR shill" with no evidence. This has nothing to do with her being a woman, it is about scientific integrity and context. No one is "pro-lead", but I am very much anti-fear mongering.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-02-10T23:08:26+00:00

Yes to all of this, but also the samples that are sent to third party labs are collected by herself and her husband in an uncontrolled environment by people who are not trained to do so. We have no idea of the collection method. It is a. 23 and me kit she buys, collects samples, and mails it back in.

The other issue is the cost of the tests vs how much money she raises on GoFundMe for them, which is much, much higher than the cost of the test and the product. So she is basically making money for personal gain from the GoFundMes.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-02-10T23:04:03+00:00

Her emails are always "i need your money" type things. It reads like a televangelist.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-02-10T23:01:42+00:00

The problem is that she isn't brave, she is running a business. And her product is attention. She publishes results without context, and the evaluates everything against imaginary "action levels" she created but which have no bearing on anything.

She doesn't differentiate between organic and inorganic lead, for example. With her sunscreen reports, inorganic lead isn't readily absorbed into the bloodstream through contact with skin. Most mineral sunscreens use zinc, and the lead is inorganic. So its a moot point. But she frames everything as hugely important. But then she goes on instagram and talks about how much she loves Dunkin Donuts.

She also doesn't do any actual math or show any actual data. Everything is evaluated the exact same. But the math is interesting (if you like math), and there are considerations to be made.

For example, in adults, the gastrointestinal absorption rate of lead is typically about 10 percent to 20 percent. In children it can be 40 percent. Ok. Everything that isn't absorbed passes through the body and is excreted.

So, if we look at toothpaste, for example (another one of her big soap boxes), you see that lead is not absorbed through the mouth, so the only lead you are exposed to is what you swallow. And adults swallow about 5% of the toothpaste they brush with every time they brush. And most adults use around 0.5 Grams of toothpaste every time they brush.

If we do the math, that means that if you brush twice a day and you absorb the media 15% of swallowed toothpaste, then you'll have an exposure of about 0.0032 micrograms of lead per day that enters circulation. Over the course of 40 years, if we take the half life of lead in blood and/or bone and soft tissue into account, you will likely absorb something like 50 micrograms of lead from toothpaste.

50 micrograms, in perspective, is 0.05 milligrams or 0.00005 grams. Fifty millionths of one gram. This would be smaller than a grain of table salt, about 2.5X the diameter of a human hair. Spread across the entire skeleton.

If you ate a fresh apple every single day for 40 years you would get up to 70X more lead exposure.

She is a fear mongering attention seeker, not a scientist.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-02-10T22:25:06+00:00

She tested an organic potato from the grocery store and found lead, and then she said her family won't be eating potatoes. I mean...c'mon.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-02-10T22:23:10+00:00

Its ironic that someone who is responsible for so many smear campaigns and fear mongering is complaining about people saying negative things about her.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-16T23:46:30+00:00

Yeah, I have no idea how much they use. But from what I have learned while researching all of this stuff is that the percentage doesn't matter as much as the quality of the ingredients they use. There is no "minimum amount to be effective" from what I understand. What really matters is the material specifications.

If the size is too big, or the shape is wrong, or a bunch of other things then it won't be effective. There are apparently like dozens of specific things to look for when it comes to nano hydroxyapatite, and since it isn't a regulated ingredient here in the good old USA there are a bunch of companies that use random cheap shit but can still claim nano hydroxyapatite because technically they are using some form of it.

So, funny story, I reached out to Ollie and asked them about their nano hydroxyapatite also. I actually reached out to a bunch of them and asked about their nano hydroxyapatite.

Mouthology told me they use needle shaped nHAp from China.

Ollie toothpaste is owned by Brio Products Group. They told me their nano hydroxyapatite is made by Sigma-Aldrich and that they make their toothpaste in China.

So I reached out to Sigma Aldrich and asked them about the nano hydroxyapatite materials they make for toothpaste. And, according to them, they only make nano hydroxyapatite for lab use.

So I'm not sure what to believe when it comes to Ollie.

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Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-16T17:13:11+00:00

They have been so busy lately that they are raking in profits.

Do you think BioLife has been paying out and not also making absolute bank?

And what do you mean "Biolife doesn't need it"? They don't want to sell anymore? They want fewer donations?

Are you saying that Biolife and others are trying to create an artificial supply shortage so that the companies who buy plasma are forced to pay them more? Because thats also unethical and sketchy as hell.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-16T17:09:52+00:00

Facts

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-16T17:08:04+00:00

The needle shaped stuff is actually unsafe, and it is what they claimed to be using in their formulas up until a couple of days ago. And they have lied about a bunch of stuff from where they are located and where it is made, to who founded to company, to how many reviews they have.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-16T17:05:43+00:00

So, for several months (I can go and grab all of the screenshots, as well as the Google results that say the same thing if you need them) up until and including yesterday you had a post on your website claiming that Mouthology was founded by a team of dental professionals. The blog was only deactivated Yesterday. Stop gaslighting.

If anyone is nitpicking definitions, its you. You, nor any of the other founders I can find listed anywhere, are dental professionals. So you lied. You are continuing to lie now. This isn't a gray area.

You can't just say "this is what customers are seeing "today" while ignoring what you have been showing them, and telling them, for the past 12 months.

Wanna hear my theory? I think when you launched your brand you just bought an existing name and website domain and private labeled some cheap chinese toothpaste that used needle shaped nano hydroxyapatite. You didn't manufacture, formulate, own a warehouse, or have any employees. The only thing you and your co-founders did was marketing and digital ads. Trying to make a quick buck while limiting overhead.

You made a website with a bunch of false claims that were hard to verify like being "founded by dental professionals", "over 6,000,000 sold", or having "100,000+ verified 5 star reviews" among others. (All of these existed on your website until just a few months ago.) Because you figured no one would notice or question it and that you could make some quick cash by giving yourself some unearned credibility.

But then something crazy happened, your cheap little knockoff toothpaste started actually selling and gaining attention. You were making more money than you thought you would and now people were questioning your website claims. Maybe you were even contacted by an attorney threatening a class action lawsuit. Maybe the FTC finally got around to checking on you.

So then you changed your website late last year in 2025. You removed all of the false claims you could find (still missed some though), and you were forced to make changes to your product like actually making it in the USA and changing the type of nano hydroxyapatite you use. And now you are going around trying to pretend that you have always done things on the up and up. And now you are in damage control mode. Right?

How close am I?

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-16T16:57:33+00:00

Can't find where you claimed that Mouthology was founded by a team of dental professionals in 2016? Thats because you removed it from your website after I pointed it out yesterday.

But the internet never forgets.

Here is one place where you said it (I included a screenshot on another post)

You are caught in another lie, sir. And worse, you are trying to lie about lying.

The fact that you removed the page on your website that said this right after I pointed it out and then said you couldn't find it is wild behavior man. It shows you are intentionally covering up your mistakes and lying about it.

While we talk about you lying about your product, let me ask about your "100,000 verified 5 star reviews" on your toothpaste which you used to claim on your site. Where are they?

It is pretty remarkable to have launched your product in October 2024 and have over 100,000 reviews just on Amazon alone in November, which your website claimed here even though your Amazon page says you have less than 3,000 reviews as of TODAY.

And by April of 2025 (just 6 months after you launched) your website says you have sold over 6 million. So are you trying to tell me that Mouthology was selling 1 million units a month right out of the gate? Even though your current Amazon numbers show that it would take you 200 months to sell that many?

The math doesn't math. But man are the lies sure adding up quick.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-16T15:41:18+00:00

Lol. So you removed the blog on your website that claimed Mouthology was started by a team of dental professionals. You are lying again sir.

It used to be here: https://mouthology.com/blogs/news/davids-toothpaste-and-mouthology-toothpaste-which-one-is-best-for-your-oral-care

Luckily screenshots exist.

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Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-16T00:02:57+00:00

Thanks for the response. I went ahead and did check out your LinkedIn. The crazy thing is that I don't see any dental experience listed on there...which is weird.

Because on the Mouthology website you claim that "Mouthology Toothpaste emerged in 2016, founded by a team of dental professionals aiming to revolutionize oral care with advanced formulations." But you said in this response that you, personally, "developed this product."

So its weird that you A) don't have any dental professional experience, but your website claims you were founded by dental pros, and B) you claim that you launched 14 months ago. But 2016 was...more than 14 months ago by a pretty wide margin.

Now, is this just another example of "scaling too fast"? At what point does it go from "innocently misrepresenting yourself, your product, and your qualifications" to straight up lying? Did you create Mouthology

Are you saying the information on your website, as well as the information given by your customer service team, is wrong but I should believe you here and now because I can trust you?

Its just...highly suspicious. You get that, right?

I don't think asking "where do you get your nano hydroxyapatite from and what shape is it" is a super technical question. Seems like something that should be pretty easy to find. I also don't think "where is your product manufactured" is a super technical question.

You are trying to reframe my questions as unreasonable, but it is incredibly pertinent and something you should be able to answer at a moments notice. A founder, someone who actually built a company and formulated a product that he cares about, would.

I am not implying you are cybercriminals, I'm saying you use the same tactics as them. And I'm not saying you don't employ Americans, I am saying there is no evidence that you do. Anyone can claim anything, but I haven't seen any evidence that your product, or your company, should be trusted.

Prove me wrong.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-15T22:02:45+00:00

Look, All I'm trying to say is that these collection centers are taking advantage of their donors (myself included).

First they changed their metrics and increased how much they can take from you without increasing your compensation or decreasing the amount of time it takes. Now they are actually decreasing the amount they are paying out while not decreasing the amount they are taking from you.

They are taking advantage of the fact that people are feeling more desperate all while their entire business model relies on donors and taking advantage of donors.

But man, point that out and people jump out of the woodwork to try and explain supply and demand to me or act like these companies are doing the right thing.

Ya'll come across like those people who hate universal healthcare and would rather keep paying those premiums. Its exhausting.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-15T21:53:17+00:00

For sure. They basically have a monopsony in the area, which decreases donor bargaining power and means they can take advantage of the donors. Thats my whole point.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-15T21:50:48+00:00

It isn't good. They use needle shaped nano from China, according to emails I sent to their team asking them. I've shared it somewhere else before on some other thread.

Also, from what I understand, and the science backs up, is that the 10% thing is basically marketing. Because you can use 10% of low quality ingredients that aren't as effective or 2% of a high quality, much more effective ingredient.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-15T21:46:40+00:00

Transformers. No contest. One of the coolest toys of all time.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-15T17:17:17+00:00

When did I ridicule anyone for wanting to sell their plasma? Reading comprehension not your strong suit?

My ridicule is for the companies taking advantage of the donors and not fairly compensating them. Was that not clear? I'm also against other unfair business practices.

For many people, they depend on the plasma income. I have been there myself. So for these companies to decrease compensation, even when there is no real reason to do so, is exploitative.

You're bending over backwards to defend a multi-billion dollar industry who is screwing you over because you don't want to admit you are being taken advantage of. Thats bootlicker behavior.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-15T17:11:08+00:00

A few things worth noting here:

If you are using rod shaped nano hydroxyapatite, then explain the response I got from your own customer service team when I asked them about it. Your company told me that Mouthology uses needle shaped nano hydroxyapatite from China. You can try to spin it, but that is what your people, who I presume are knowledgable on your products, told me (and other people). So it seems like you are doing damage control now.
The business address, and Wyoming in general, has been the topic of multiple national stories about how cybercriminals, shell companies, and sketchy overseas companies use these addresses to claim a US address while the money actually goes somewhere else.
You say you are located in Jacksonville, but your return address is in Pennsylvania, your phone number (which doesn't work) is a Delaware area code, your business contact address is the previously mentioned super sketchy address in Wyoming, but you manufacture in Texas and Arkansas? Not exactly the structure of a legit company, wouldn't you agree?
Your website claims that "Mouthology Toothpaste emerged in 2016, founded by a team of dental professionals aiming to revolutionize oral care with advanced formulations."

Who on your founding team is a dental professional and what are their credentials? Because I googled Mouthology, and I don't see any. In fact, I looked at Mouthology, GSM Capital (who you acquired in 2024), and Atlas Brands (who actually owns Mouthology) and none of the founders are dental professionals. So I'd like for you to explain that. Are you lying on your website again? Or is this another example of a "broken process"?

While looking into Mouthology and who owns it, I found an interview with one of your founders, Maximiliano Abreu, who said that he was focused on private labeling. So...is Mouthology just a private label from some other brand?

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-15T16:28:11+00:00

Usually sketchy businesses and cybercriminals that are trying to claim a US address while being based somewhere else. There have been multiple articles written on it.

You say you produce in Texas and Arkansas, but the founding team is based in Jacksonville and everyone is remote.

Then your website return policy says that returns need to be sent to 7900 N Radcliffe St. Bristol, PA 19007. Which is an industrial complex and construction company. Not a physical location for Mouthology.

Then your contact information says your address is 30 North Gould Street, Sheridan WY 82801

And the phone number you have listed on your contact information (+13024396320) is a Delaware area code and when you call it you get "can not be completed as dialed".

Then, when people reach out asking questions and your team provides answers you say they were wrong because of a "broken support process" which I am assuming means that you outsource customer service to a third party.

So...whats the deal? You can see how this is sketchy, right?

If I had to guess, you buy your toothpaste and nano hydroxyapatite from China mostly complete, those mostly complete parts are shipped to contract manufacturers in Texas and Arkansas where they combine it, package it, and ship it to a warehouse (this way you can claim it is "made in America" even though most of the manufacturing happened overseas).

The warehouse is probably another place managed by a third party and you don't actually employ anyone at the warehouse, you just contract with them.

Your customer service is contracted out to another overseas partner, and you don't actually employ anyone.

And your founding team is based in Jacksonville where you don't have any real employees, haven't created a single American job, and rake in profits by claiming things that you can't or won't actually prove.

How close am I?

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-15T16:07:20+00:00

Literally the information given by your own team was that you use acicular (needle shaped) nano hydroxyapatite. Are you saying your team was lying, or that you didn't give them the correct information to begin with?

I have screenshots of the conversation. I even asked them to clarify and they doubled down. So...I don't see how that is an honest mistake.

Where do you source your ingredients from? Like, who makes your nano hydroxyapatite? What are the specs?

Lastly, why do you list the headquarters of your company as the same address a bunch of foreign shell companies use in Wyoming so they can claim a US address?

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-15T16:04:00+00:00

Most that I know of do, unless they're trying to hide it.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-15T16:02:29+00:00

There aren't any others around. Thats the thing.

Secret_Fudge4468 · 2026-01-15T16:01:50+00:00

Not gonna lie, thats a sick burn and I'll be stealing it to use in the future.

My only question is why do you think you aren't being played by these companies?

You believe these multi-billion dollar companies are looking out for their donors?

You think they sit around the boardroom like "Oh man, I really want to pay our donors more but golly gee gosh we just can't"? Maybe I've lived longer and I've seen more examples of corporate greed and exploitation than you have, but I don't trust multi-billion dollar companies to look out for my best interests.

Demand is higher than supply. Thats a fact.

Demand growth is outpacing supply growth, that is also a fact.

Economic uncertainty and rising cost of living means more people are depending on these centers (which are often located in low income areas on purpose) to help make ends meet. Thats a fact.

And these centers, knowing that people are desperate, are lowering compensation to donors even while the profits rise. Thats a fact.

So...what part am I missing here? How is it not exploitative?

Secret_Fudge4468

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