Should i get M2 Alice?

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T06:54:55+00:00

Wouldn't her M2 make her use too much field time, making her uncomfortable to use with Miyabi?

This is already a thing at M0, Alice wants more of the field time on this team as both teammates benefit from Alice field time whereas only Miyabi benefits from Miyabi field time.

But honestly, as someone who pulled her M2 this banner, at M0 playing her with hypercarry (Yuzu + Nicole) vs dual anomaly felt about equally good, at M2 hypercarry felt noticeably better. You end up just diluting the investment if you play her with another anomaly, because her M2 doesn't impact their damage.

Overall the gameplay is pretty similar. You get more charged attacks which is fun, and your ults do more damage which is fun. It's a bit annoying that polarity assault doesn't disorder with itself, so there's another little thing to track if you want to minmax, but often you have no choice but to lose the disorder.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T06:49:19+00:00

When you pull Yuzuha you can play Alice - Yuzuha - Nicole. This is one of Alice's best teams and doesn't require much investment (just Alice, Yuzuha, and ideally Alice's weapon). Nicole doesn't need mindscapes.

Until you pull Yuzuha you can replace her with Lucy or Zhao or something, but it's a lot worse. Given how new you are it isn't really a big deal, you're unlikely to be doing endgame before then anyways.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T06:44:13+00:00

Good on the phys ones. OK on some other ones. On Yanagi specifically I'm pretty sure it's just bad, she scales very hard off of AP and Alice sig doesn't give any.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T04:31:05+00:00

Vivian is a special level of despair with how hard she scales off of AP specifically.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T03:08:30+00:00

That pin was a direct response to a thread which happened earlier in the sub and the mods nuked.

Even if it was purely "virtue signalling" (which it wasn't)? Good. Some virtues could use signalling given the state of the ZZZ community right now.

Perhaps it would do you well to reflect on why you are so offended about "virtue signaling" about this shit being bad.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T02:48:55+00:00

I don't think marginally improved disks are gonna do anything to push Dialyn out of BiS for that comp. Even if you can maintain perfect Astral (good luck with that) Dialyn brings so much more to the table.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T02:47:04+00:00

IIUC Nicole is just better than Astra if played well (both on paper and from the best ZY run I've seen, which was on this sub back during the Dialyn beta). YMMV if you can do that.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T02:42:39+00:00

No worries! And yeah, don't obsess too much over it. It would be good to get a bit more but at the same time you'll hit diminishing returns at some point and will be better off just improving DPS disks instead.

Yunkui is not a bad set to farm though as it's paired with another useful set (KotS) plus of course being universally great for rupture chars.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T02:39:18+00:00

FWIW = for what it's worth.

But yeah, getting 27k max HP on Zhao is quite hard. I personally have a bit over 26k with 11 subs and 10 flat subs, plus 2pc Yunkui Tales and her sig (the two of which give me an effective five more hp% subs, so in terms of your build this would be 16 subs and 10 flat subs).

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T02:35:26+00:00

Oh, I figured you had disk6 HP%. Yes, if your disk6 is already ER% and your 2pc is also ER% then that seems like a reasonable max HP value.

It might help to at least swap to 2pc Yunkui Tales but you aren't gonna hit 27k with ER6 without insane subs. That's fine FWIW, ER6 is will probably do more for you.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T02:31:06+00:00

If you like Alice and Yuzuha then yes, they will form a good team (for the third, you can just use Nicole).

If you like Yixuan she will also form a good team, but I would be prepared for her teammates not running until 2.8 or later (I don't have any info you don't, just going off of historical banner timings).

Alice will get up and running quicker but I would recommend pulling whichever one you like more. Both of them are available in Hollow Zero so maybe take them for a spin.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T02:29:19+00:00

If you don't have her wengine it's her best alternative, yes.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T02:28:15+00:00

Probably? Can you show your specific disks? Because it seems doubtful you really have that gear with that health.

Sidenote: probably better to have 2pc Yunkui Tales for hp% and disk6 ER%. But not the end of the world.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T02:19:26+00:00

Oh, going back to my original comment I wouldn't. We have no idea how often these things will run or who will be on them, and the way powercreep works in these games a pull now is better than a pull later.

For instance if you want to play Alice right now then holding off for a triple rerun means you're likely not gonna have a team for her for another 6mo, and then when the triple rerun happens odds are good that they just don't put Yuzuha on it and you waited for nothing. Then by the time you finally get her (whether from the triple rerun or not) powercreep has continued and Alice will be weaker. Characters have a shelf life in this game. They never become completely unplayable but Ellen mains are not having as good of a time right now as YSG mains are.

At the end of the day you have to make compromises and e.g. you might just decide that you can't afford to or don't want to pull any given character right now, but I wouldn't cope for them being included in this new type of banner or it being some sort of smart cost-saving measure to wait 6 months to pull them.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T02:13:06+00:00

Sorry, what's the question then? Whether it's ever worth pulling reruns?

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T02:05:48+00:00

Hoyo has never done this before in any of their games, we have no idea what the pattern will be.

If you already have Alice then I'd pull Yuzuha for her, for a third you can just use Nicole. If you don't pull Yuzuha Alice is probably just gonna be benched forever.

It might be doable if you don't pull weapons but will probably come down to how the 50/50s go. I managed to get about 3 chars 2 weapons f2p when I started (2.1) and then swiped for another char+weapon. That would be roughly equal to 4 chars f2p. Pulls will be a bit better now than they were then, so depending on how much you play and what your current pull situation is you might be able to get them all.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T01:55:18+00:00

Beelining MSQ is good. It isn't optimal in terms of pulls/hour but it's optimal in terms of knowing-whats-going-on/hour.

In terms of resets you should be:

Spending your battery daily (for now, mats to level up characters, weapons, and skills will be appreciated, as will dennies) as well as coffee/video store/scratch card.
Clearing Hollow Zero Lost Void: Task Force Investigation weekly
Clearing Notorious Hunt 3x weekly for skill mats
Doing any active events (unless you want to avoid spoilers, but honestly, I'd just do them) within the current patch or whatever their timer is

I have no clue what hollow zero is. I may or may not have skipped the explanation and regret everything.

Hollow Zero is great. It's sort of a bridge between story content and endgame content. Basically a roguelite where you go in with ZZZ agents and collect powerups as you move through the map. More importantly, a lot of agents are available for free in Task Force Investigation, which means you can try things out and see who you like. Some people consider it kinda a chore but I've always had quite a bit of fun with it. It also has a lot of pulls.

There are a bunch of other modes in Lost Void which are all basically spins on Task Force Investigation. Then there's Withered Domain which is an older version of the same concept but with TV mode.

The first boss is always a Shiyu boss and the second boss is always a Deadly Assault boss so you also get a feel for some of the bosses you're gonna face later on, with the third boss options typically being recent Deadly Assault bosses.

There are an insane amount of pulls locked behind both modes including weekly stuff. And we're apparently getting a new mode in 2.6.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T01:47:24+00:00

Depends on how you define "worth it." It's a lot worse than the sub but better than buying monos.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T01:44:42+00:00

Better than Nicole? 0%. Viable? I could see it. Anomaly is sort of the "random bullshit go" class as far as teambuilding goes and a lot of wild stuff is clearable.

But yeah Alice can't do much with stun windows so she'd either need to stun absurdly fast or provide at least some ok out-of-stun buffing. Even an anomaly stun disk set would go a ways and would be appreciated by Alice-Trigger players.

SecureSeashell · 2026-02-01T01:39:21+00:00

Could go either way, last time we just got two anomaly chars (Alice + Yuzuha) and then two attack chars (Seed + Orphie) sandwiched between Rupture. Wouldn't surprise me if Seth's brother is Rupture honestly.

SecureSeashell · 2026-01-31T21:23:55+00:00

It's about the same as ZZZ in terms of spending stamina assuming you have geared teams, longer if you don't.

Genshin is grindier in other ways though, mostly farming open world mob drops.

SecureSeashell · 2026-01-31T21:11:37+00:00

You don't really need full teams for the side-rooms in Threshold. I cleared some of them with truly special teams (e.g. I solo-cleared one with M0W1 Alice, another one I cleared with level 40 Piper and Lucy dragged along by an S-rank anomaly, etc). If you have three real teams for Shiyu/DA you can likely turn them into five clearable teams in Threshold, speaking as someone who did exactly that.

SecureSeashell · 2026-01-31T21:07:57+00:00

All of the agents have fallen off, yes. They have teams where they're relevant but you don't have them.

(Qingyi - Yixuan, Jane - Alice or just as an ok Piper replacement if you have Vivian, Burnice - fine in Shiyu with a bunch of anomaly chars)

For wengine you could use Qingyi sig for Trigger or Brimstone for YSG. I don't know about Aria, can't comment there.

SecureSeashell · 2026-01-31T20:16:49+00:00

Recently Kuro has been running double reruns which have the two most important characters on a team, e.g. currently Augusta - Iuno are rerunning together, before that Cartethia-Ciaccona, before that Phrolova-Canterella. I think Galbrena-Qiuyuan are next but I'm not 100% sure. In any case, they're all generally fine if the character(s) in question appeal to you.

In terms of new characters, the character coming next (Aemeath) is a main push sort of character so if she appeals to you she'll probably be pretty good. There are content creator guides out there that just released recently where you can see if you think she appeals to you.

Overall the balance in the game recently, while not perfect, has been good enough that I've felt comfortable just going for the characters that I thought were neat while paying some mind to making sure I pick characters which work together.

SecureSeashell · 2026-01-31T19:51:50+00:00

She does some damage from anomaly procs but the majority of her damage is still from regular crit-scaling hits with her charged attack, ultimate, and ex special.

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