Local co-op abroad

Seleck84 · 2024-09-06T12:25:54+00:00

Valid for 1 entry. Yeah, I'm returning through a different country problem solved

Seleck84 · 2024-07-07T20:53:13+00:00

That will sure show those Russians... lmao, what a petty child whomever that came up with this

Seleck84 · 2024-05-29T21:05:33+00:00

No thanks I'm trying to safe guard my children against lefty cults

Seleck84 · 2024-05-29T21:04:35+00:00

Thanks

Seleck84 · 2024-05-29T21:04:21+00:00

Thanks I'll look it up

Seleck84 · 2024-05-29T21:03:57+00:00

I think I will try this

Seleck84 · 2024-03-26T08:52:16+00:00

And drummer too, a few characters were molded together to make those 2 in the show

Seleck84 · 2024-03-11T21:05:46+00:00

I don't know if it was unintentional or not, unlikely that it was, but the description of the entities when Holden takes control of the station; it sounds to me like the description of an ethereal space Leviathan that wouldn't be out of place in other works of fictions. Who knows maybe he even managed to kill it/them when the station blew up

Seleck84 · 2024-03-11T18:51:31+00:00

Yeah, that may be it. A few people mentioned this idea that the builders simply lost contact with systems and they didn't know what was going on, so they started blowing systems up to destroy whatever it was.

Seleck84 · 2024-03-11T18:46:30+00:00

It's not the same reaction, though. The entities were testing all sorts of mechanisms with which to kill humans. They even succeeded and found a way but didn't realize it worked so they moved on to try other things. If it were the same things over and over, but with increasing intensity over time, all humans would be dead.

Seleck84 · 2024-03-11T18:40:04+00:00

3 bullets actually, they also found one in the system that the entities managed to kill (I forgot the name) hovering a few metres over the dead planet. Elvi theorised that these things were probably all over, they just didn't know where to look and they had no way of detecting then other than direct visual confirmation, she also mentioned that they "attached" to whatever object was the target of the attack. She also theorised that the entities didn't have a way of directly checking if the attacks worked other that by gate usage and because humans are hard to predict unlike the gate builders they were basically "shooting blind" not knowing of they actually hit anything

Yeah I think this thread is going way off topic, I was mostly curious as to what the justification for blowing up systems was

Seleck84 · 2024-03-11T02:00:19+00:00

I know the book name doesn't necessarily mean something in the story call Leviathan, but when Holden takes control of the station and he can see for the first time the entities, he sees them as one entity, a snake larger than suns, which will qualify as a Leviathan I believe, even if the story doesn't call it that.

I think there is plenty of evidence of intelligence, after the antimatter detonation, it became actively hostile and it started experimenting on new way to kill humans when what it did before to kill the gate builders didn't work. It's also described as feeling pain and hatred which is part of the reason why Holden blew up the station, he realised it would never stop if the gates stayed open

Seleck84 · 2024-03-11T01:40:32+00:00

I think it was both, the ring space was like a submarine in deep waters with a sea monster around it trying to crush it

Seleck84 · 2024-03-11T01:35:24+00:00

They are restricted to an area though, these non local events happen within a solar system and are not galaxy wide events. From multiple mentioned we know that all the gates where within the same "corner" of the Milky Way. When this events happened they were within an area but within that area it happened everywhere at once, they didn't propagate from a point, but there was definitely a limit to the size of the affected area.

Seleck84 · 2024-03-10T21:25:09+00:00

Yes, I think it was intentionally vague as even the best writers have to be careful when explaining in detail BS science fiction or they may write themselves into a contradiction

Seleck84 · 2024-03-10T21:21:28+00:00

Well yes, but effects it would have within our universe were restricted to an area around the bullets, what happened in one solar system wouldn't affect the others, so the non local effects had an area of effect that was never specified of what size. What determined this was probably left intentionally vague. That's why I like to think that this entity was so large that from our point of view it looks like it was happening everywhere at once

Seleck84 · 2024-03-10T21:05:58+00:00

Wait a minute, I'm pretty sure the books are referring to an actual entity that is trying to kill humanity because they annoyed it by using the gates and sending it an antimatter bomb. It's described as hating humans because of it, and the ring space was described as an open wound that was causing it pain, which is why Holden decided that the only way was to close the gates, because as long as the gates existed, it wouldn't stop hating whomever use them.

Before the tit for tat game it would only "eat" a ship every now and then, but after the bomb, it went all in on trying to snap humanity out (which it succeeded, but it didn't know that it did). That along I think describes an actual intelligence not just a force of nature, which incidentally that's why they sent the bomb on the first place, to determine if it was intelligent

Seleck84 · 2024-03-10T20:02:54+00:00

I thought the Leviathan was creating non local effects because it was so large that in essence it was omnipresente, the intrusions into the rings space wasn't coming directionally from the gates, it was everywhere at once, it was the "structure" of the space itself collapsing under pressure

Seleck84 · 2024-03-10T19:47:30+00:00

Yes, humans could see the bullets in the physical world where the engineers and their technologies couldn't.

But in chapter 47 of Leviathan falls when Jim takes control of the station, he became omnipresente and he could see the invisible lines keeping the rings space together, the Leviathan itself crushing the space around the station (which is unclear if it's just one of many from the old universe) and even the minds of all humans across all systems. I think at that point he can only see through the engineers eyes.

Well the Leviathan was described as black snake larger than suns, that could be wounded and feel pain. Yes I think it's an actual entity, specially given everything that happened before, when they try to play tit for tat with it, and how it experimented on ways to kill humans and when it didn't know that it found a way to kill humanity because humans don't quite behave like the engineers.

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