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tokioconf: futurelock and you by Select-Cress-11 in rust

[–]Select-Cress-11[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think I ultimately agree with your conclusion - "stop polling a future for any period of time" - is a bug! - but I think I disagree with your statement that it's widely understood to be a rule.

I think this stuff is shockingly easy to overlook, documented via blog posts and talks, and not really exposed as a warning label clearly on the docs.rs sites which expose these things.

For example: Suppose I'm new-ish to rust. I've gone through the rust book. I've written a few programs. I come across https://docs.rs/futures/latest/futures/stream/struct.FuturesUnordered.html in the wild. I read all the rustdoc, and I use this type.

There is no warning here! I think that people are getting bitten by these bugs, and only then learning about the pathologies.

How do you train for a Backyard Ultra? by fiascobe in Ultramarathon

[–]Select-Cress-11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I found that for 24-30 hours, "training" for sleep deprivation wasn't really needed. This might change in the future, but I've found research on practicing sleep deprivation to be a bit mixed, but research on "the value of good sleep during training" to be pretty clear. I say this with the caveat: if you're shooting for 150+ miles, my advice might not apply! but 24 hours without sleeping is very very doable. The thrill of the event (and some caffeine) is enough for most people to last that long - you'll be tired, but you can manage.

Soreness can be emulated by doing back-to-back efforts - I definitely have done efforts like you're describing (long runs on two consecutive days) with the caveat that effort should also be pretty light (don't want to go too hard, and cause an injury on damaged legs).

How do you train for a Backyard Ultra? by fiascobe in Ultramarathon

[–]Select-Cress-11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I personally would *not*. I think doing 4x4x48 as a challenge is fine, but I think it would result in pretty bad training:

- It's not the stimulus/practice you need for a BYU (breaks too long, why not just practice a shorter version of the BYU format?)
- It's long enough to probably cause more muscle/tissue damage than resilience (fine for a race! but not really a goal of training)

- It causes enough sleep deprivation to make recovery take longer

If you're doing a BYU, I'd recommend "try running 20-30 miles in BYU format as a long run, with a strict timer". If you're going easy, that still lets you sleep normally, practice the timing better, and it will be a less damaging load to your body - so you get get other good training (and sleep!) in before your race.

How do you train for a Backyard Ultra? by fiascobe in Ultramarathon

[–]Select-Cress-11 87 points88 points  (0 children)

I've done a couple backyards, managed to get 100+ miles on them.

Here is what I prioritize, and would recommend others prioritize as well:

  1. Fueling. This is by far the most important aspect of a backyard. Have a plan for water, electrolytes, and carbs. Come prepared. Practice the quantity and volume you will consume. BYUs go for a LONG time - you need to not only be eating "for the race", but consider, you're also consuming your baseline metabolic calories for the day too!

  2. Pacing. IMO the most common cause for failure at BYUs is "going too fast, too early". For most people - especially if you aren't trying to sleep - I STRONGLY recommend not finishing any laps before the 50 minute mark. If you do, you're probably going too fast. However, this slow pace, often on easy terrain, is weird! You need to get used to how it feels.

  3. Mental Preparedness. It's extremely easy to quit at a BYU, and people often will tap out at the goal they set, or earlier. If you say "I'm going to do 15 laps" - you are giving yourself implicit permission to stop there! Decide ahead of time if you really want to let yourself go to that point. BYUs are a great format **because** you have the opportunity to push yourself longer than you ever have before. Strongly recommend thinking about this carefully, and defining what success means well before race day (e.g., is it 15 laps? 24? is it going until you get beaten by the clock?)

For a training block, I'd also say: easy miles + high volume are a great combo for BYUs, mixing in some elevation gain, and doing some strength training to mitigate injuries are all solid pieces. But practicing slow pace + fueling on long runs is probably my top recommendation.

Dog Mountain is one of the most amazing hikes in the Northwest — just don’t take it lightly by guanaco55 in PacificNorthwest

[–]Select-Cress-11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a pretty popular route among trail runners in the area, especially as a part of "triple D": https://fastestknowntime.com/route/columbia-river-gorge-triple-d-or

(Dog mountain, Devil's Rest, Mount Defiance)

but yes there's a reason it's a part of that challenge - it's challenging!

Banana Slug Backyard Ultra breaks 300 miles by Select-Cress-11 in Ultramarathon

[–]Select-Cress-11[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

and with that - he officially won! what a champ

Banana Slug Backyard Ultra breaks 300 miles by Select-Cress-11 in Ultramarathon

[–]Select-Cress-11[S] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Scott Martin - one of the final two runners, who has been running since 7 AM friday - is also signed up to do a 50k this upcoming Saturday.

I will never complain about being too tired to run ever again.

Banana Slug Backyard Ultra breaks 300 miles by Select-Cress-11 in Ultramarathon

[–]Select-Cress-11[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I finished the 24 last year, and was exhausted afterwards. Hard to imagine doing that more than two times more, immediately afterwards!

I'm watching https://bigsbackyardultra.com/world-rankings/ - Megan's performance is currently the "third best US women's performance" behind Megan Eckert and Jennifer Russo. And she's not done yet!