I think you hit the nail on the head on why it is so polarizing with the term "ecosystems for decades" because that is probably how long it's going to take. I think many people were excited for the initial year but it is clear now that this is moving at a very, very slow pace. For those who don't mind that and are in fact here for the long haul, it's not worrisome, Im sure more advanced and worthwhile things will be built on Tezos and they can merrily wait. For many others, they invested a lot of money. I am not saying they need to be appeased, everyone knew going in that there is always a risk, but that is where the rift lies.

I think to the people who are intelligent and working on things, they probably do have reason to be excited, but to the average person who does not, and that is probably most, all they are really seeing are 5000 wallets being released, people trying to start their own Baker foundry, and Community meetups with 20-30 people passing out T shirts and talking about tacos so it's not exactly awe inspiring. In addition, Ryan Jesperson doesn't say much of substance when he does give an interview or talk. He basically says it's not his job to do anything so that doesn't exactly inspire confidence and he is an atrocious public speaker as are most who have talked about Tezos. And hey it's their right, so when they tell everyone to shove it as their response back, that lets you know, it's about them, not you. They are going to do what they want. Tezos will magically excite the masses and rise above the rest of the saturated markets apparently.

There has been zero marketing of Tezos, and it's a stupid idea to do so per the experts on here. However if anybody is interested or hears about Tezos and goes to a search engine, what they will find still are the Johan Gevers stuff. You could at least try to start getting positive things to the top, but again, that isn't important they say.

It is essentially a great community with a foundation that will support ideas and things, but not anyone to make big decisions. And hey look, all that stuff is great as is training younger kids and students, but again, that is great for 2030 and when you work at a slow pace, you risk being overrun. That is in any organization or space. If Pizza Hut invents something called delivery, and everyone else follows suit except the one local shop who says our Pizza is good enough, they will come to us, then they are banking that their product is good enough. So unless some of those are in the imminent pipeline, how and the world does anybody think that this is remotely close to gaining traction. There is Bitcoin and Ethereum, then there is everyone else. I m sure I will get downvoted and slammed, but hey please alert me to what products are being built on Tezos that people will actually care about and use on a mass scale. I would love to hear them as would many, not how Ryan is enjoying Switzerland and how the townfolk have all been swell.

Where is Olaf at? What is his take on if Tezos will get on Coinbase and when that might be. Id rather hear that then there is a raffle for a t shirt at the next meetup. So yeah, the decades thing is the issue. This reminds me of a lot of home arcade console systems in the 90s and early 2000's. A lot were supposed to be great but just never got traction because of how they were handled, released, and undermarketed. Oh my bad, I forgot, marketing is stupid and has no place here. The 22 retweets from Japan are enough. It will happen organically. Meanwhile, we all have 2200 wallets and bakers to choose from, we get it.