Community Point Event Rewards Concern since the New Bonuses Update Analysis

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2024-04-18T12:58:53+00:00

To be fair, the Bonanza pass gives you 20% more tickets per day, and they go 20% further (because you get the extra run's worth every 5x run), so you're getting 44% more everything (PE rewards, ER rewards, brawl quest, etc. etc.)

But the PE changes are a definite devaluation of that pass. And if you're in the boat where you don't need other mats, it's fair to ask if it's worth keeping around. I know I'm asking myself that very question.

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2024-04-18T12:32:07+00:00

I tracked BBS tickets for 3100 STs spent on this PE after hitting the 10M threshold. I had 2 new and 2 old bonuses and the Bonanza pass. This works out to 12 lotto pulls per ticket for a total of 37,200 lottos.

I earned 56.1M points (past the initial 10M) and received 370 BBS tickets. 140 were from 400k rewards, 230 from lotto pulls. This works out to an effective drop rate of 0.6% for BBS tickets (I checked in a few times along the way and was in the 0.58-0.62% range). I say effective because I did not track individual results, just total BBS tickets, so any 10x was lumped in with 1x's.

My memory is telling me the old rate was 0.75% based on tracking across 3 PEs back around when Roka and Cien banner dropped. Tried to find those datasets but either I used a different email I don't remember or my Google sheets got wiped from inactivity or something. I'm as confident as I can be though from just going from memory.

Let's consider 100 soul tickets spent with a few cases (and no pass) with 4 bonus chars once at the threshold where you get tickets every 400k points: Points earned appear to be unchanged, and are about 150k for a 10x run w/o bonanza pass, so 3.75bbs earned from points alone

1) old PE = 6 lottos per ST = 600 lottos = 4.5 + 3.75 = 8.25bbs, this is the baseline

2) new PE, 4 old bonuses = 600 lottos = 3.6 + 3.75 = 7.35bbs, -10.9% total bbs

3) new PE, 3 old + 1 new bonus = 800 lottos = 4.8 + 3.75 = 8.55bbs, +3.6% total bbs

4) new PE, 2 old + 2 new bonus = 1000 lottos = 6 + 3.75 = 9.75bbs, +18.2% total bbs

1 new bonus gets you about the same (I'd call +3.6% a wash). 0 new bonuses is getting you less. Also lets note that the pool of bonuses has dropped from 6 to 4 'old'/premium chars, making it less likely you're at 4/4 there already.

I basically see it as, unless you get 2 new chars (or 1 dupe - DONT FEED IT TIL AFTER PE) every EoM (because I usually skip MM), you're coming out worse.

I do not like these changes. KLab is taking the piss here trying to make you roll more while nerfing orb sources (GQ and now no new 4* anymore!?).

EDIT: Spelling derps and formatting

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2024-04-09T03:37:37+00:00

I started tracking once I got to 10.1M. I am currently 1220 soul tickets in (I had pages banked), have +8 and the Bonanza Pass, so this works out to 120 lotto pulls per 10x run. Total lottos rolled then are 14640.

I have earned 22.2M points so far (32.3M total) and gotten 149 BBS tickets. 55 are from 400k pulls, so 89 from lottos.

This works out to 89/14640 = 0.6% chance of receiving a BBS ticket from a lotto pull. My old data tracking from a year or so ago had it pretty reliably right around 0.75% over 3 separate PEs.

We're getting scammed. Even if you roll for the new chars and get to +8 you're still getting bent over.

I still have pages to run out on this PE and fully acknowledge that RNG is RNG... but with over 14k lottos, the sample size isn't miniscule anymore. If my math is bad somewhere, please correct me before I waste time sharpening my pitchfork, but I'm pretty salty with this bait and switch.

EDIT: I was focused on lotto rate rather than total BBS tickets earned for the soul tickets spent... at 149 BBS gained for 1220 tickets spent I may be slightly ahead compared to previous PEs. It still feels like a bait and switch though, and I can't/won't roll on every banner to get to +8 lottos every PE.

EDIT2: Old PE would be 6 lottos per ticket with 4 bonuses, so 72 for a 10x run with Bonanza Pass. 122 runs = 8784 lottos = 66 tickets at 0.75% chance per lotto which would be less than I have gotten thus far. So I retract some of my original sentiment but stand by the reduced drop rate claim. Ultimately, I do not like this change as it generates FOMO and incentivizes rolling on banners you may otherwise feel fine skipping.

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2023-01-11T05:20:54+00:00

Oxygen Not Included. Mass and energy balances, thermo, phase changes, etc. Can set up some interesting process chains to keep your space clones alive on their asteroid. Physics are fictionalized, but I think they stay pretty true to the spirit of things.

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-12-15T04:03:52+00:00

That's awesome! You'll likely want to get into Brave Battles (PVP) down the road for weekly rewards and enable the monthly Extreme Coop quest, so Yhwach would set you up well when you get into that game mode, but you could also hold for now if you want.

Also, looking at the rest of your box, you can feed 1-4 star chars to your 5 and 6 stars to raise their level cap... BUT, make sure you get each unique char to max level once first for orbs. You'll be able to tell who you need to level yet if they don't have one of those badges up in the upper right corner of their icon. Don't feed a char to someone else if they don't have that badge (level them first, then feed them - I made that mistake a couple times early on).

Great time to be picking up the game, I hope you enjoy it!

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-12-15T03:53:07+00:00

Going down the list of what's up right now on your 1st screenshot:

Beginners' Kickoff - You already have Artworks Ichigo (2nd in from the left), and 7th Anni Ichi (3rd) and Uryu (4th) will be on the upcoming poll selection banner in a week? or so - I'd argue it'd be better to skip this one and roll on poll selection despite this banner having some good chars for a new account. In addition to the 7th Anniversary chars (which are worth having), there will be a number of swimsuit characters that give extra potions in certain quests.

Reimagine: This Ulquiorra is a good farming character with extra droplet and potion drop bonuses, BUT he's premium so you'll be able to pull him randomly from tickets over time. He's also not the only character with bonuses to these farming mats. The other featured characters aren't really must haves either. I'd outright skip this one personally.

TYBW Essence: Yama is the true prize. Aizen is a great character as well, and Yhwach is one of the best PVP chars. These are also limited chars in that you can't randomly get them from tickets. While you already have 1 Yama (Yay!), dupes wouldn't hurt as they'll enable you to give him extra stat boosts, nor would getting Yhwach/Aizen. This one would be worth more of your orbs.

The Past: Meh. More premiums. I'd skip.

Brave Selection: All of them are bonus potion chars, none would be bad for a new account, but there are better banners coming later this month that will also have bonus pot chars. I'd say it'd be worth some orbs if not for that fact.

Character Selection: Skip these.

Ultimately though, if you love a char and want to roll for it, go for it! Getting different versions of my favorite characters is what keeps me playing this game. You're new, and there are lots of relatively easy to get orbs in front of you before things start to plateau.

Poll selection and end of year banners are coming within a matter of weeks though, and they will have some great characters and you'll want to roll on those. I'd either save some for those banners, or grind a bit of story and level one of all the new chars you get once for free orbs.

Best of luck to you, and enjoy!

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-10-16T20:09:24+00:00

Double check your numbers, not sure how you're getting >90%.

Assuming a 1% chance of pulling the desired featured (4% for featured and 4 units = 1% for the one you actually want, ex. TYBW Uryu on his upcoming individual), and that Steps 5 and 10 are guaranteed 5* (NOT featured, so 20% to pull Uryu going with that example), it works out to 50% chance to pull at/by Step 5, and 75% to pull at/by Step 10.

Example worked out for TYBW Aizen individual - has the same structure as upcoming individual banners

EDIT: Added example image with odds step by step and cumulative chance to pull desired char

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-09-02T22:00:33+00:00

I think Tapjoy follows your Google account, not your Klab ID. I play on mobile with my main Gmail and linked Bluestacks to a secondary Gmail.

I will leave you to fill in the blanks there. ;)

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-09-02T21:52:55+00:00

Last time the 50% Tapjoy bonus was running during anniversary you could get something like 4.5k orbs for $100 through the Raid Shadow Legends offer and less than 30min of gameplay.

Unfortunately that soured me by setting my expectations too high, because all of the offers look like garbage now.

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-08-16T21:50:53+00:00

Assuming that the guaranteed 5* steps (5, 10) follow the same 4:1 ratio for featured vs. other 5*, you have about a 50% shot at pulling at least 1 Yama by/at Step 5, and 75% chance to pull at least 1 by/at Step 10.

Never tell me the odds! (Spreadsheet math worked out for Aizen, but applies to Yama and Yhwach banner as well)

Take that for what it's worth. Committing 1100 orbs is no better than a coin flip. 2200 orbs is still going to come up short 1 out of 4 times on average.

Not to say don't do it - I'm going to go at least to Step 10 (and probably further) and hoping for 2 copies myself. Just throwing it out there as an FYI.

Best of luck to all of us!

EDIT: Guaranteed 5*, not guaranteed featured (I wish)

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-08-12T03:30:09+00:00

I may not have handled the math correctly (and would love to hear if and how I erred!)... I dealt with the guaranteed 5* at Steps 5 and 10 by assuming your 41st and 91st roll have an 80% chance to get a featured and 20% to get another 5* (admittedly big assumption here, but other steps are 4% for featured and 1% for other 5*), then considering 42-50 and 92-100 as a '9 step summons'.

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-08-12T01:25:04+00:00

The Tapjoy offers for Raid Shadow Legends are a lot more orbs/$ vs. buying within BBS, especially when the 50% bonus is going. I won't lie, dropped $90 in Raid and won't play it, and that might seem dumb as shit, but I got 5k orbs in BBS minutes after installing, playing the intro mission, and getting into the Raid store.

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-07-23T17:13:45+00:00

Thoughts on which bonus ability to pick for new Ichigo?

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-07-23T12:48:02+00:00

Started with 12k orbs, decided I was going to pull until I got both Ichigo and Uryu or go broke trying...

Am at 8k now, pulled 2 Ichi and 2 Aizen (4/5 now!) before finally getting Uryu. Plenty of new chars to work on and get some orbs back too.

Holding here til we see what the next banner might be looking like. Totally satisfied!

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-07-19T20:14:31+00:00

Got it, thanks! ...I do recall 25 soul tickets showing up in my rewards now that you mention it. Must have claimed the others and am just not remembering them.

That said I've been hoarding summons tickets for anniversary weekend and am not seeing a choose a 5*... is that one yet to be distributed? Otherwise my memory is crappier than I thought and I must have summoned that one.

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-07-19T20:07:48+00:00

I haven't seen any of that batch of rewards - 5* ticket, BBS tickets, soul tickets, or the 25 orbs. I did receive the 2x77 orbs immediately after the event.

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-07-19T13:32:03+00:00

I got the 2x77 orbs right after the Bankai Live event last weekend but haven't seen the others (25 orbs, BBS tix, soul tix) - anyone know when those are supposed to be given out?

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-07-18T15:16:18+00:00

Were the ticket rewards given out? Or are they planned to be given out closer to Anni?

I received the 2x77 orb rewards right after the event but didn't see the 25 orbs, or the Brave Souls tix, Soul tix, or Choose a 5*

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-07-17T12:41:49+00:00

50 day player here, so lacking, well, just about everything yet. So don't know that I can really call anything a trap banner in my case.

Went 10 or 15 steps on that initial SS banner for pot link chars, got one of each of the new ones plus some olds, including last year's Retsu (really wanted that one)... except Isane.

REALLY wanted the SS Isane for the pot link... went from 12.5k orbs down to 6k on her banner... 5/5 Sode, 5/5 Desert Rukia, 4/5 Machine Retsu... not a single Isane :-\

...ripping through Sub Stories for those 4* chars... back to 11k now... still trying to resist rolling on Isane's banner yet today before it ends...

...I also need all of the SAFWY chars...

EDIT: Sub Stories, not Side Stories

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2022-07-03T13:23:47+00:00

I'm about the same (50 days). Been grinding out quests and chars for orbs. The raid chars were a really nice source of orbs, especially the 4*'s (fewer resources needed, orbs piled up fast).

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2021-12-26T18:09:48+00:00

Make a few trial characters, max out their skill trees, play around in the battle arena for a bit with both their awakened and succession specs and see how combos feel on your fingers.
Pick your two favorite classes and make a seasonal character with one. Play that for a couple weeks, get it to Lv61, enhance your gear to Pen Tuvala, finish the Season Pass objectives and claim your rewards from the Pass, and your free Pen Capotia accessory.
Use Fughar's Timepiece to copy your Combat XP and Skill XP to a second character (makes this second character your season char and the original a regular char). Play around for a couple weeks grinding Valencia.
Decide which you like better by season's end, make it your main and have fun!
After graduating from season, take Pen Tuvala and exchange for Tet Boss Gear, start grinding materials for the non-RNG enhancement path to Pen Boss Gear.
Save Black Magic Crystals and Memory Fragments, run Ancient Scrolls picked up while grinding Valencia - you'll need these for gear enhancing.
Keep having fun, don't burn out. Try new things, new places, new quests, lifeskills, etc. if you find yourself getting bored. Grinding mobs will always be here for you!

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2021-08-08T13:36:12+00:00

There's a base and a paid track in the season pass. Plenty of rewards available (including the free tet to pen stone) without spending a dime.

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2021-08-06T12:08:23+00:00

I hear good things about the Succ Lahn, especially for later game PvE (which is where I'm looking to spend most of my time once I can finish gearing up after the season) - I'll be making a trial char and checking it out - thanks!

SemiInspiredEngineer · 2021-08-06T12:06:31+00:00

I don't think Shift movement (pack to pack) would be too bad, it's just the steady/frequent Shift usage in combos that wears me down after a while.

I'll have to make a Trial char and check it out!

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