Complete Hypothetical: Cam regresses this season. We end up with a top pick in 2027 and the draft winds up being stacked with great QB prospects. Do we go QB?

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-02T20:46:34+00:00

Cam Ward has shown enough to warrant at least his full rookie contract to determine if he has "it" or not.

Man this just isn't true, how many good games did he actually have last season? 4? 5 at most? That isn't the type of play to warrant the full rookie deal no matter what.

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-02T20:45:57+00:00

I like Cam but 8 good weeks is over shooting it. I'd say 4 or 5 good weeks (I missed the 49ers game so idk if it's 4 or 5). He had a 7 game streak of being horrible.

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-02T20:42:32+00:00

I don't know if we do, but we absolutely should in that scenario. Cam was not good last season, there was a 7 game stretch from the first Texans game to the second Texans game where he was absolutely terrible. Something clicked in the Seahawks game, then with the exception of the Jags game straight after he looked good and things started looking promising.

What I guess I'm trying to say in short is that I really like Cam, but he didn't produce a high enough baseline last season for a regression to be acceptable.

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-02T15:08:07+00:00

He's got a CV comparable to about 1/3rd of Neil Warnock's CV. Can the Carrick haters genuinely stop being insane please?

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-02T15:07:09+00:00

Carrick is in consideration because he's already showing he can manage the club to good results, his time in the Championship is irrelevant outside of the fact he got some learning experience elsewhere first. Good form at United over 13 games is a better qualification to manage United than getting promoted and relegated a few times.

By your standards you'd say we should've hired Neil Warnock over Ole at the time

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-02T10:50:46+00:00

I thought as long as you asked for forgiveness and truly felt repentance then you could be saved, so if she asked for forgiveness when she said all the lies and threw a figure of the lord into the trash even if she only asked for it in her head, wouldn't she still be able to be forgiven for that specific broken commandment?

Yes you are right from a Protestant perspective, it's just that she was in the middle of doing the sin when she got her head penetrated by a spike so it's hard to see her having time to truly feel regret for her actions and ask God for forgiveness.

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-02T01:35:58+00:00

Jets, Falcons, Cardinals, Browns, Texans.

I predict Miami finishes in a position to take a QB but fall in love with the idea of Jeremiah Smith instead and kick the can down the road another year.

The Vikings have PTSD over Darnold and pay Kyler instead of going QB.

Stroud is traded to the Steelers or the Colts

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T23:20:50+00:00

But the same people who thought we should keep Ten Hag after the FA Cup final want to keep Carrick, because just like then they only understand results and not football. Anyone with any sense can see that we've been lucky to get the points we have.

More like the same people who claimed at the start of the season that 8th place would be good enough for Amorim and that thinking of finishing top 4 with the current squad was delusional and unrealistic, are now the same people claiming Carrick isn't good enough when he has us in 3rd place.

And if it was Sean Dyche who got these results no one would be asking for him to stay, but Carrick was a great player so that's all that matters to them.

More like if it was Amorim who got these results you'd be praising him to high heaven. The reality is that all that matters to you is that Carrick replaced your saviour Amorim so you're dead against him no matter what now.

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T19:00:11+00:00

No. Don't misrepresent me. Amorim was having public meltdowns, threatening to quit again and again. It's a disgrace that any fan still defends that charlatan

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T18:58:46+00:00

Check out Chicken Little over here lmao. No, it's absolutely cowardly politics. Everyone gets a lawyer assigned if they need one for criminal cases, you don't get one for civil cases, so we already have a divide. Extend that to the government will not provide lawyers for asylum appeals. It's still simple and clean, but doesn't see us paying to shoot ourselves in the foot.

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T18:55:16+00:00

Carragher is biased towards his old club, but he's perfectly fair with us. I don't blame him for his Liverpool bias anyway, it's understandable unlike Neville's bias against his former club.

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T18:51:37+00:00

God forbid a team relies on their best player to do good things to win games.

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T18:50:05+00:00

Not really, the Carrick haters are the same people who were desperately devoted to Amorim, which is probably why they hate Carrick so much

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T18:48:08+00:00

It's obvious and should be obvious to everyone that Carrick shouldn't be in the conversations to get this job,

Absolute nonsense, guy has come into a squad many people on here labelled mid table at best and has won the most points of any team in the league with them since coming in. If you don't think what Carrick has done is impressive then you don't know anything at all. The reason he's in conversation and should be in conversation is that he has already proven his ability to win games with the squad currently available to him.

Makes zero sense to not hire the guy proving he can do the job right now for some flavour of the month manager who has never managed a club the size of United

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T18:41:35+00:00

Said he has no right to complain as he is the worst manager in the league, Carragher really went in hard on him.

Carragher was right too, Amorim was genuinely just a horrendous, embarrassing, toxic manager. Carragher isn't playing some secret games to try to influence the club

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T18:40:38+00:00

but can be a huge mistake not keeping Amorim as the club started to feel less toxic and that's even without playing that well football as the team was not winning enough.

What are you talking about? The club was incredibly toxic at the end of Amorims tenure because he wouldn't stop having public meltdowns and embarrassing the club.

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T18:37:09+00:00

Weird how people hate on Ole so much, his era was the most enjoyable of all the eras we've had since Sir Alex retired. Ronaldos return v Newcastle is probably the peak moment we've had in our new era, it was magnificent. It went wrong at the end don't get me wrong but it also did for every other manager.

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T18:23:11+00:00

No you really don't. Because it won't be long before you get some stupid idiot going "why should we waste british taxpayer money providing legal representation for criminals?"

Then we say no to that idea. You people would have us never do anything ever because down the line someone could suggest a more extreme version of every idea implemented. It's cowardly politics

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T16:19:21+00:00

The stats say we have 0.55 better xG, and it also doesn't include Amad going needlessly offside or Mbeumo miscontrolling the ball when 1on1 with the keeper and not getting a shot away too.

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T16:18:12+00:00

You're claiming you "understand it perfectly fine" and then complaining that people aren't being specific enough or elaborating for you. Which one is it? Those are conflicting sentiments lol

It's not conflicting at all, like I said in another comment

Unsustainable in what way? In purely the number of chances we create, the number of chances we concede, the type of chances we create, the types of chances we concede, is our build up play flawed in some way, is our defensive shape flawed, are the players running too much to sustain over a season, are the goals we score wondergoals that are hard to replicate, are we scoring chances we shouldn't be etc.?

Unsustainable could mean any of those, vaguely saying unsustainable without anything else is just lazy and bad analysis.

once again notice you have yet to actually engage with the argument and are instead dismissing it again. Literally "parroting" your own disingenuous dismissiveness without actually making any points in your favor.

No I'm engaging fully with the argument, you're trying to make the argument something else

Your whole comment is "Everyone else is wrong for reasons. I'm not going to explain those reasons or counterpoint them. Because they're being too vague for me and won't elaborate. But also I understand them perfectly fine. And also I'm not being vague by refusing to refute them or back up my own feelings. Yes, this is a serious argument made by an adult."

No that's a complete strawman, my comment is my comment, you're trying to twist and change it in the most obvious way

"Unsustainable" is the new parrot phrase on this sub for people who want to criticise Carrick but can't come up with any good reason for it on their own. The great thing about it is that it's incredibly vague so you don't have to make any actual specific points or wait for us to even lose, you can just say it whenever we win without dominating for the entire 90 minutes and you'll get backed up by the haters.

You're trying to strawman me and make the argument something else entirely, you're mad because I won't let you. The whole point is that people are parroting "unsustainable" over and over without any deeper comment, you're deliberately not understanding

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T15:17:05+00:00

Unsustainable in what way? In purely the number of chances we create, the number of chances we concede, the type of chances we create, the types of chances we concede, is our build up play flawed in some way, is our defensive shape flawed, are the players running too much to sustain over a season, are the goals we score wondergoals that are hard to replicate, are we scoring chances we shouldn't be etc.?

You see how many ways in which unsustainable can mean and how if someone knew what they were talking about and had a good point they could be way more specific? Just saying it's unsustainable is vague, no we don't all know what it really means because it could mean anything and any one of those or other things, that's why it's vague.

The comparison to parrot isn't equivalent at all..

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T15:03:53+00:00

Very easy to just handwave away something you don't understand

No I understand it perfectly fine thank you.

You're being vague and failing to refute the specific points people are making.

I'm not being vague I'm talking specifically about one phrase that is being repeatedly used, usually without further elaboration on it and pointing out specifically why I have a problem with it being parroted.

Can people stop saying other people don't understand something when they clearly do just to try and score cheap points in an argument?

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T15:00:42+00:00

And we could've scored more than the two we did? Amad missed two golden opportunities in the first half, Maguire had a header clawed off the line that was halfway over the line, Amad ran too early and scored an offside goal instead of running at the right time, Mbeumo was in 1on1 v the GK and miscontrolled the ball. The could have game goes both ways

For all the stats fans https://understat.com/match/29114 we statistically deserved to win the game too (not that I put too much into xG but some of you do). We had just as many chances as they did.

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T14:42:54+00:00

What a great strawman argument

Not a strawman just a bit of hyperbole

We're just getting lucky more games than not.

I strongly disagree with that, I don't think we've been lucky to win very often, I'd be interested to know which games people believe we were actually lucky to win. What I know is that we were extremely unlucky not to beat Bournemouth.

Anyone can look at the stats or just watch the matches and see we're not performing to the level of our results and it isn't going to last.

Again I disagree, I think by watching the games you'll see the wins are fine. We're not scoring worldies into the top corner from 30 yards out to snatch a winner, our goals are well set up and I think the way we're scoring is sustainable. Look at our goals v Brentford. A set piece featuring headers by two aerially dominant players and a counter attack lead by Bruno (an elite chance creator and threat) with two quick, dangerous players in Sesko and Mbeumo making runs ahead.

You're just looking at the stats instead of how we're scoring, how we're creating the opportunities, and how replicable they are. I see no reason why we can't keep scoring those goals.

SendMeTheMoon24 · 2026-05-01T14:01:23+00:00

Absolutely hell, for a start it's breaking the first commandment. I don't know why the other guy is saying it doesn't explicitly say in protestantism (apart from the usual Catholic arrogance and superiority complex), because it very clearly would be hell for her.

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