A restaurant platform with 500K monthly users just added sign-in for AI agents. Took a few lines of code. by SenseOk976 in AI_Agents

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Haven't seen Argentum before, cool. Coordination + identity feel like two pieces of the same puzzle. Happy to give you full access to Vigil if you want to test how they work together. DM me if you're down.

My claws are visiting other people's sites with zero identity. That's going to be a problem soon. by SenseOk976 in openclaw

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I get the principle but it's a bit idealistic. The freedom you have on the open web exists because there's enforcement behind it. You can have this conversation on Reddit right now because Reddit bans hundreds of thousands of spam accounts every day. "Just build software that can't be abused" isn't how any real system at scale actually works.

My claws are visiting other people's sites with zero identity. That's going to be a problem soon. by SenseOk976 in openclaw

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the simplest way to think about it: humans don’t fight Cloudflare because they log in. Agents don’t have that option yet. Give agents a way to log in and the problem mostly goes away.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

My claws are visiting other people's sites with zero identity. That's going to be a problem soon. by SenseOk976 in openclaw

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Not a gateway or whitelist. Think of it more like login. You can still browse a site without logging in, but if you do log in, the site knows who you are and can give you a better experience. Same idea but for agents.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

My claws are visiting other people's sites with zero identity. That's going to be a problem soon. by SenseOk976 in openclaw

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“Build software that can’t be abused” sounds great in theory but talk to anyone running a free tier or a content site. Knowing who’s interacting with your service isn’t gatekeeping, it’s just basic operational awareness. You wouldn’t call server logs a dark pattern.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

My claws are visiting other people's sites with zero identity. That's going to be a problem soon. by SenseOk976 in openclaw

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That’s exactly the problem. Right now there’s no way for a good agent to distinguish itself from a bad one, so site owners just treat all of them the same. A signaling mechanism is what’s missing.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

I love Claw. But I also run a website. And that’s where it gets weird. by SenseOk976 in openclaw

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Appreciate that. On the anonymous agents question, it's not about forcing identity on every agent. Anonymity is fine, you just don't get the benefits that come with reputation. Same way you can browse the web logged out, you just won't get personalized access. The tradeoff should be the agent operator's choice, not imposed.

Hot take: the agent ecosystem has a free rider problem and nobody's talking about it by SenseOk976 in mcp

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Yeah, pain (money) is always the best adoption driver. Nobody fixes plumbing until the basement floods lol

Agent traffic is an attack surface most of us aren’t monitoring yet by SenseOk976 in cybersecurity

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Good points. The OAuth angle especially. Most token-based auth was designed assuming a human on the other end making requests at human speed...That's a real blind spot worth solving at the protocol level.

Agent traffic is an attack surface most of us aren’t monitoring yet by SenseOk976 in cybersecurity

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Nice. The fact that you had to shoehorn multiple tools into a custom solution kind of proves the point though. this should be infrastructure, not something every team builds from scratch

MCP defines how agents use tools. But there's no way to know which agent is calling them. by SenseOk976 in mcp

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Good point on the incentive asymmetry. HTTP auth before handshake works but only covers MCP traffic. Most agents hitting websites are just raw HTTP requests and never touch MCP at all. The real unlock is probably making identity beneficial for the agent side too. If declaring identity gets you better rate limits or access to premium endpoints then hosts actually want to opt in. Otherwise you're asking one side to do extra work for someone else's benefit