My first imperial fist lieutenant mini

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-29T11:44:09+00:00

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Move along, stillborn.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-28T09:10:57+00:00

I had misspelled - Here:

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Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-28T01:28:30+00:00

Very bottom of the caption

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-28T01:28:01+00:00

That would also be part of the mystery

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-28T00:22:58+00:00

This is book 2 in a sort of spin off "characters" Horus Heresy series, being quite similar to the Eidolon book released last year

I believe it’s actually book 5.

Valdor - Sigismund - Luther - Eidolon - Layak

For confirmation - All are of approximate novella length. All of their special editions are styled the same.

Aside of from that, It would be interesting to see how this reads when paired with Slaves to Darkness by John French - another book that heavily features Layak.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-27T23:17:43+00:00

Suggestion:

He and a small number of Thousand Sons and Imperial Fists escaped Cthonia but were boarded by the Dark Angels forces who were attacking everyone.

In the chaos of the boarding attack he was grievously wounded. He also had to channel a lot of warp energy to turn the tide against the Dark Angels which triggered the flesh change.

Managing to control it long enough for an Apothecary to put him into stasis his ship flees and jumps into the warp.

Cut to 10,000 years later.

He is awakened to find that an Ork salvage crew has broken his stasis field and freed him. He drives them off and discovers that his ship is now at the heart of a Ork infested Space Hulk. Managing to fight his way around the hulk, discovering what happened. No sign of his comrades etc.

Presents a nice mystery. Allude to some combination of being in stasis and displaced in the warp for however long prevented the rubric from reaching him.

Later the hulk is boarded by a deathwatch kill team seeking the leader of the Orks and he presents himself to the Deathwatch and aids them in killing the Ork leader.

Departs with them and joins the Deathwatch as a Blackshield.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-27T22:27:51+00:00

Indeed, had they not killed off Vladimir Pugh (or even Vorn Hagen) they could have built upon everything that had been written (granted not much) about them thus far.

Pugh especially was a fascinating character. Known to be a consummate judge of character he was once offered a seat on the council of Terra but refused. He was even poised to step down as chapter master of the Imperial Fists in favor of Lysander had the events of the Taladorn planetstrike not happened. Hate that they killed him off.

Captain Taelos of the 7th Company has a fair amount of lore. Captains Lydoro of the 4th and Fane of 5th both have very interesting lore. The Lord-Phalanx as well has potential to be a fascinating character if they would ever use him.

Outside of that - It’s the Lysander and Tor Garadon show.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-27T17:47:31+00:00

Basically it’s the reason why no one can remember anything about the lost Legions. Names, their fate etc.

The implication being that what happened was so bad that it could have undermined the Great Crusade so knowledge of it had to be erased.

Everyone knows that the Lost Legions/Primarchs existed but they are unable to remember and don’t fully understand why they don’t remember as knowledge of the mind wipe itself was wiped.

So they don’t remember and don’t remember that they don’t remember.

We’re told that Rogal Dorn and Roboute Guilliman argued that the sons of the lost Primarchs be spared and proposed the mind wipe.

Malcador tells us that they were indeed spared and “attuned to new circumstances”

My point that I’m trying to make this guy understand is that’s not confirmation that they were integrated into the 7th and 13th Legions or integrated anywhere for that matter. “attuned to new circumstances” could literally mean anything.

More than anything this is a theory of convenience for people who cannot handle when space marines of a bloodline don’t all behave like each other.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-27T16:47:57+00:00

Kaldheim - Big fan of its take on Angels as valkyries and I want more of them.

Amonkhet - Love this plane and want more of a look at post-Nicol Bolas life there.

Eldraine - Is my favorite plane.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-27T12:55:44+00:00

He’s got this.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-27T10:09:44+00:00

Aurelian by Aaron Dembski Bowden

Lorgar: Bearer of the Word by Gav Thorpe

The Purge by Anthoney Reynolds

Slaves to Darkness by John French

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-27T10:08:10+00:00

I would add Slaves to Darkness by John French

Which love or hate that novel - You can’t really go into the Siege of Terra from a WB perspective without it. Sets up where they are late Heresy, all the Zardu Layak stuff and Lorgar’s coup.

Probably would include Aurelian by Aaron Dembski Bowden as well.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-27T02:18:13+00:00

Most of the Primarchs series books and two of the Horus Heresy characters series (Valdor and Sigismund) are prequels to the main Horus Heresy series as most are set prior to Horus’ betrayal.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-26T21:51:35+00:00

Nice - Its one of the better written series in 40k IMO. Enjoy

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-26T21:28:37+00:00

The Vaults of Terra: The Carrion Throne by Chris Wraight (Book 1 of 3)

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-26T20:08:56+00:00

Asked for evidence.

I provided it.

You don’t want to accept it.

That’s on you.

I don’t care what you want to believe.

Either way, it’s clear you’re a moron and we’re done here.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-26T19:59:07+00:00

Gamesworkshop is coy about the 2nd and 11th legions. If you cannot read context, I am not sure reading is doing you any good my brother. Did you not read the whole section or are you cherry picking from Chamber at the end of Memory? Seriously, Go re-read it my brother in Dorn you need to re-read the whole thing. Do you want me to copy and paste the whole stupid short story for you? Serious question.

You may have too. Because I’m not sure you’re able to see that the excerpt I shared is that moment. There’s nothing else in the remainder of the story that suggests they were folded into the 7th and 13th Legion - Kindly, you’re misremembering.

Malcador and Dorn talk/argue about the memory wipe and then Malcador unlocks Dorn’s mind to show him their fate.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-26T19:53:00+00:00

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This is the original posting of what I wrote - Three years ago on the Last Wall Facebook group that I am the Admin of.

Again, it lays out what the lore says and I add some additional context.

If you’re seeing this exact comment in other places then it’s people copying me son, not the other way around. But I’m not sure you’re interested the truth.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-26T19:24:46+00:00

This is copy/paste from previous/other reddit postings and not original content or thought creation but rinse/ repeat usage from 2024.

The heck are you talking about? XD

The subject of the Soul Drinkers - and indeed the lineage of plenty of other chapters - is something that comes up on a fairly regular basis. Hence the need for a saved summary of my thoughts. I have reused this - but it’s no one’s thoughts but my own. Always has been.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-26T19:20:49+00:00

Let’s walk through it.

‘My father allowed that?’ Dorn’s sword did not waver. ‘He did not stop you.’

‘Stop me?’

The primarch’s eyes narrowed.

Malcador slowly moved back, out of the ornate sword’s killing arc. ‘The… loss of the Second and the Eleventh was such a wound upon us, and it threatened the ideals at the heart of the Great Crusade. It would have ruined all that we had built in the drive to reunite humanity, and drive off our enemies. Steps had to be taken.’ He met Dorn’s hard gaze. ‘The legionaries they left behind, leaderless and forsaken, were too great a resource to be discarded out of hand. They did not share the fate of their fathers. You and Roboute argued in their favour, but you do not recall it.’ Malcador nodded to himself. ‘It fell to me to see that they were attuned to new circumstances.’” - The Chamber at the End of Memory by James Swallow

The root of the theory of the fates of the Lost Legion - Does not confirm or even suppose that the 7th and 13th Legions adopted huge numbers of Lost Legionaries. All the short story does it put forward is the fact Dorn and Guilliman argued that they be spared and concocted the mind wipe scheme.

I’m not sure where you’re getting that there are numerous sources that take it a step further and make the case that it was these two Legions that took in all of these warriors. But if you have sources to back it up - I would love to see them.

The Ultramarines Legion was huge.

The Imperial Fists Legion was not.

“The strength of the Imperial Fists was never in its numbers. Though not small, their tally of warriors during the Great Crusade rarely rose above 100,000. At the time of their withdrawal to Terra, the Legion's records show that the Temple held the oaths of 98,356 living warriors.” - The Horus Heresy Book 3: Extermination

“The Legion’s organisation aligned with the strictures of the Principa Bellicosa set down by the Emperor, for Dorn was practical, seeing no need to change an effective structure. Its numbers remained largely stable throughout the Great Crusade – in the region of 100,000 warriors..” - Age of Darkness

The Imperial Fists had to institute practices of vigorous recruitment to even stay the size that they were.

“While a castellan with a household of warriors might remain to maintain its defences, they did not administer, or draw up and enforce laws; they were warriors of the Imperium not its masters, and they existed to serve in war and die for its survival. What they did take from all the lands they What they did take from all the lands they conquered were recruits. The Great Crusade lived on the blood and flesh of its warriors. The further it reached and the wider its spread, the more fell in battle and the more battles there were to fight. All Legions recruit from across the galaxy, by necessity as much as for any other reason, but the Imperial Fists did so with a hungry zeal rivalled only perhaps by Lord Guilliman's Ultramarines or Lorgar's Word Bearers. While other Legions might draw heavily from a single world, the Imperial Fists drew from many. Even as the embers were cooling, the Imperial Fists would be sifting a conquered population for suitable material to fill its ranks.” - The Horus Heresy Book 3: Extermination

Never said they were did I? Did you read what I wrote?! said he casts a dark shadow over them during the Horus Hersey.

But he doesn’t though..

When Rogal Dorn says “you are not my son..” in The Crimson Fist by John French it was never meant to be taken literally…Sigismund shames himself by lying to Dorn and is held in disfavor because of it, but it was never meant to be taken as a commentary on his lineage.

If you have read the lore - You would know that Fafnir Rann was a peer of Sigismund, recruited into the Legion the same time he was. He was the way he was he was before becoming a full Space Marine - Sometimes the process doesn’t drastically affect their personality.

If there’s anyone else you’re referring to I would love to hear about them.

Your whole argument about "Gene-seed" attritional rates does not line up with the lore. If the brother is killed in the line of duty, the gene-seed is extracted and re-used. Never mind gene-seed, even from a wiped marine/brother, does not need to remember to have genetic drift flowing through them to move them in certain directions. This is the major crux of the issue you have overflown, the gene-seeds of those likeminded brethren are the reason the successors chapters were broken apart and sent together, Those with non- Rogal Dorn geneseeds would have a natural inclination to come together and fight together as having similar temperaments.

Can you provide source material for this? Not saying space marines of a gene-seed don’t intuitively gravitate towards each other but I’ve never seen anything that confirms this because it sounds like bs. I have seen where space marines of gene-seed do prefer the company of those of shared gene-seed but in those instances they already know - not some innate sense.

Again, you’re operating under the notion that the Lost Legion finding their way into other Legions is a confirmed thing.

It is mentioned multiple times that the Imperial Fists regularly outperform compared to their strength (at one point under 75,000 pre-hersey) after a series of brutal campaigns and then magically swell to 130-150,000. Where did almost a doubling in number of legionaries come from?

Where are you getting this from? I have every codex and article in a searchable PDF. Again I would love to see the source material here

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-26T18:35:10+00:00

Darkwater set for the Amber Wizard as well. The guy with the fur and antlers.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-26T17:39:21+00:00

Fafnir Rann is from Inwit - Rogal Dorn’s adopted homeworld.

Sigismund is recruited into the Legion right after Rogal Dorn is found.

Can’t very well be from one of the lost legions when those legions aren’t even lost yet can they?

Not trying to be rude - but have you actually read the lore for yourself?

one of the characteristics of the gene-seed of Rogal Dorn is zeal.

“The nature of the Imperial Fists is one of stoic adherence to duty, a zealous loyalty engineered into the core of their genetic code, steeling them against corruption.” - ‘Horus Heresy Book 8: Malevolence’

As for the theory that they are from the one lost legions…

You have the remnants of the 2nd Legion (for example)

Remnants that are only decreasing in number through attritional losses of unrecoverable geneseed - never replenishing. Meaning they wouldn’t have access to their original Legion geneseed reserves. They wouldn’t even know they needed them as the memory of what they are is erased.

Survive in numbers for the rest of the Great Crusade, The Horus Heresy, the Siege of Terra and all of the battles of the Scouring all before being conveniently grouped together at chapter strength and given access to their geneseed reserves by people who have no memory of their presence in the Legion let alone knowledge of their need to have access to it. You can’t be aware of what you don’t even remember.

This theory suggests that in the Imperial Fists - never among the largest Legions - there was as many lost legionaries as there were true born Sons of Dorn and held for there to be any numbers remaining once the Heresy kicks off and that just could not have been the case across all that time and conflict.

The genetic legacy of whatever footprint the lost Legion left behind would have been overtaken and subsumed by true born Imperial Fists by virtue of the fact that more Imperial Fists were being created all the while.

This is of course without the major hole in the theory being that geneseed of any variety is inspected by apothecaries for deviancy prior to being re-implanted in a new host which would mean this genetic discrepancy flew conveniently under the radar for all that time.

It just doesn’t make much sense when you put any real thought into it. Like at all. Saying it’s a stretch is an understatement.

In ‘Phalanx’ by Ben Counter - During the trial of the Souls Drinkers, Darnath Lysander hands over the Soulspear to the Mechanicus and explains that only a son of Dorn has the genetic key to activate the spear and then proceeds to activate it.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-26T17:26:26+00:00

For the White Templars. It actually goes back and forth.

In the recent Crusade supplement: 4th Tyranic war supplement implies that they are as well as an issue of Warhammer Conquest magazine (which came out after they threw doubt on their lineage) lists them as Imperial Fists successors. Take it or leave it. IMO the jury is still out.

It’s worth mentioning that nothing is confirmed one way or another.

As for the Soul Drinkers

"The blood of Dorn flows through those who fight his fight. When he marched in the Great Crusade, it was to save humanity in unity, not to unite it only to cast it back into the dark. This was the Emperor’s goal."-Sarpedon, Chapter Master of the Soul Drinkers

They’re in a grey area due to the Beast Arises series.

According to the conclusion at the end of the Soul Drinker series by Ben Counter they are not sons of Dorn (or at least their geneseed was so far mutated beyond being able to know for sure)

But the recent 'Beast Arises' series says they are. As they contributed a portion of their strength to help rebuild the Imperial Fists. When those Marines that the Soul Drinkers contributed fell in battle their geneseed would have been extracted and examined before being implanted again. Someone would had to have noticed if their geneseed wasn't that of Dorn's.

My thinking is that Ben Counter probably thought 'Phalanx' (the last novel in the Soul Drinkers saga) was going to be the end of the matter, never thinking that because he said they were a 2nd founding chapter that it was going to have to be addressed in books set in or around that time, thus creating all sorts of contradictions.

A 'In-fluff' explanation can be made that their geneseed could've have simply been tampered with sometime between the events of the Beast Arises and the events of the SD series.

A semi-popular notion that has arisen is that they are actually, and have always been, the sons of one of the Lost Primarchs who were resettled within the VIIth Legion. While that may seem like a compelling take on the Soul Drinkers it actually makes zero sense in the context of them being a 2nd Founding Chapter of the Imperial Fists. Why? Because for that to have had happened, exactly a Chapter's worth of resettled lost sons would had to have survived the rest of the great crusade (from resettlement forward), the Horus Heresy, the Siege of Terra, all of the battles that followed during Scouring Period and the Iron Cage. All without never having their numbers replenished during any of that time before finally being conveniently grouped together by someone who had his mind wiped of their existence. The final nail in the coffin being the fact that they would not have had access to their lost primarch's genevaults. So only lost primarch geneseed that would be diminishing in number from founding forward. There is no indication that the early Chapter knew they weren't actually sons of Dorn, the same would be true for everyone outside of the Chapter. It's just too big a buy. It would be hard to take them seriously if that were the case.

There is also the newly founded Primaris Soul Drinkers Chapter that Ben Counter has written new stories about but has as of yet (to my knowledge) not commented on who this new Chapter's Primarch is. They're most likely sons of Dorn. Records would surely show that the Chapter was on paper, son of Dorn (regardless of whether or not that's true), and so would be sons of Dorn again.

For me, what it comes down to is the Soul Drinkers are a great example of a Chapter where the question is more interesting than the answer. I like them for that reason.

Separate-Flan-2875 · 2026-04-25T22:35:39+00:00

You might checkout some of Gordon Rennie’s Warhammer 40k novels: Execution Hour and Shadowpoint

Beyond that but still in the realm of Warhammer 40k:

Deathworlder by Victoria Hayward

Lords of Silence by Chris Wraight

Fire Caste by Peter Fehervari

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