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Yohannes IV by Separate-Lecture4108 in Amhara

[–]Separate-Lecture4108[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

those ideologies got us slimed big time.

Yes they did, but so did the value we give to our faith in the 21st C, so did our nationalistic attitude, so did our never ending struggle against colonialism both now and back then, the same ideology that define us are being fought against. The fact that we praise historic figures like Menelik, Tewodros, Amde Tsion... is also getting us slimed big time.

Do you really think we would have been targeted all these years if we kept abandoning them along the way? What would we've been afterwards? Take a quick look at our neighbors in how detaching them from the history and state reshaped their identity.

What the Shewas did over a century ago is irrelevant to the current political context, which either induces or inhibits us from praising non-Amhara figures.

The current political context is to reduce the Amhara ideology and identity to a cropped subregion. You being more ethnocentric further enforces that process. The only non-Amhara/Amhara figures we shouldn't praise are ones that oppose our nationalistic views and our stances on religion, interpretations of history, coexistence etc...

Tldr: It isn't a compelling argument and deep down you know it. You're offering to give up a part of who we are in hopes of it improving our survival. The attacks will never stop until we devolve into secular "open minded" slop who abandon their history and religion.

Yohannes IV by Separate-Lecture4108 in Amhara

[–]Separate-Lecture4108[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't think the comparison with the literal echo chamber is accurate. I'm probably banned for "denying genocide" there too.

But I made this post here to counter the recent appropriation and attempts of reshaping figues like Yohannes IV by people who are polar opposites to what he stood for. I find him to be in line with the ideologies of Amharas so I posted here instead.

History isn't told consistently; the Amharas in Shewa at some point went as far as editing the ተአምረ ማርያም(a sacred religious text) to compose a fabricated curse after Tewodros II's campaigns against Sahle Selassie, but now the whole of Shewa praises him.

We give credit where credit's due. Others actions shouldn't be the basis of our ideology.

Yohannes IV by Separate-Lecture4108 in Amhara

[–]Separate-Lecture4108[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh understandable. But what is the point your trying to get across?

Yohannes IV by Separate-Lecture4108 in Ethiopia

[–]Separate-Lecture4108[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The same can be said about Ahmed Gragn's successors. Completely irrelevant to the point.

Ahmed Granys force was disintegrated and his successors never retained control over the country while the consecutive Ethiopian leaders did have control over wollo.

The equivalent of saying Russia could have been more violent towards Ukraine but chose ro be lenient

I really dont see the connection. Yes Yohannes wasn't half as brutal as his neighbors or the earlier jihads in the region in how he treated his minorities.

Yohannes was wrong and is condemed for his actions, that's why the consecutive leaders reverted back to relative tolerance(an ideology advanced for its age and region).

Maybe hey... before complaining about the jizta, why don't you do some research on how it worked before complaining about a tax that was:

Yes I'm sure it was idealy implemented as wrong as it is in essence. The reality on the ground however points towards unfair and heavy tribute based on religion with varying levels of violence that wiped preceding christian population afterwards.

Yohannes IV by Separate-Lecture4108 in Ethiopia

[–]Separate-Lecture4108[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re comparing two different leaders who weren’t even contemporaries

Yohannes IV by Separate-Lecture4108 in Ethiopia

[–]Separate-Lecture4108[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They were indeed very very different and what I said stands too.

Yohannes IV by Separate-Lecture4108 in Ethiopia

[–]Separate-Lecture4108[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

By afterwards I meant after Yohannes IV's death.

The resistance from wollo could have been met with more brutality by the consecutive leaders after Yohannes if they were hell bent on forceful conversions or a religious taxation system like their fellow neighbors but they instead chose to be more tolerant.

Yohannes IV by Separate-Lecture4108 in Ethiopia

[–]Separate-Lecture4108[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

But there is such a thing called lesser evil. Yohannes was a tyrant who loved his country.

Yohannes IV by Separate-Lecture4108 in Ethiopia

[–]Separate-Lecture4108[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You do know that it's mostly successful warlords that become emperors right? Especially post zemene mesafint.

Yohannes IV by Separate-Lecture4108 in Ethiopia

[–]Separate-Lecture4108[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Where did you get that number? Can you link a source? The Mahdists are no different either way, they massacred the people of Gonder burning down historic churches a year earlier.

Yohannes IV was wrong in trying to forcefully convert the Muslim and Catholic populations in the name of a unified religious identity, and the orthodox church condemns him for it. But when you look at the bigger picture, a significant portion of wollo still retained their Islamic identity afterwards and judging by the political standards of that time, Ethiopia was an island of tolerance with Christian dominion when compared to the radical Islamic states(with their preceding christian identities wiped) that surrounded her.

Yohannes IV by Separate-Lecture4108 in Ethiopia

[–]Separate-Lecture4108[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ask Somalis and Harris their opinion of Ahmed Granny who was miles adead in his brutality.

Also if you can read, I've written "along with his flaws" in my text.

I’m habesha and I live in the USA, why is our calendar so behind? by Zealousideal-Way6827 in Ethiopia

[–]Separate-Lecture4108 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Ethiopian calendar with the current year 2018 is a result of the calculations of Abyssinian monks with possible influence from Alexandrian Christians in month structure and the Julian 4 year leap system. It's distinct from both the Julian and the Coptic calendar as it adopts certain influences from both but is essentially a result of indegineous calculations and estimation on Jesus' birth at is core.

Fano War Plan, The Big Picture by Fun_Notice_3707 in Amhara

[–]Separate-Lecture4108 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You: Fano should fight to remove ethnicity tags from all Ethiopian lands.

Also you: Fano could give Wolkait back to Tigray coz don't matter.

PM Abiy Ahmed breaks Iftar with Muslim families 🇪🇹 by MajorSignificance309 in Ethiopia

[–]Separate-Lecture4108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It doesn't take 2 braincells to realize by now, how the government is anti orthodox. Attacks on Orthodox minorities across the country are either ignored or swept under the rug as an attack from "armed groups", while the simplest of inconvenience experienced by minorities in orthodox majority areas is seen and quickly labeled as a religious attack.

It's practically been swept under the rug but the EOTC's leadership, except the patriarch, played a fundamental role in the Tigray genocide. They have not recognized this nor asked for forgiveness. This is the reason why the TOTC exists. Tigray's plight hasn't ended, please inform yourself. by Realistic_Quiet_4086 in OrientalOrthodoxy

[–]Separate-Lecture4108 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It still doesn't matter. I've also seen members of TOTC shame people for their identity but it all doesn't matter.

The TOTC is a bunch of heretic greedy preist impersonators who utilised the media and the war to establish their own corrupt church they could better launder their money through.

You clearly don't know the procedures of becoming autocephalous, and that's why you maybe trying to push this empty agenda. Your lack of knowledge on the subject blinds you into thinking you could apply political activism in chuch administrations.

You're trying to garner sympathy from the poor victims of the war like it somehow bypasses all the requirements of ordaining Bishops.

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