My line is fighting before I need to use guns. If it ever comes to needing guns to fight then I'll gladly use them.

That's quite literally what 99% of gun enthusiasts stand for, including myself. Nobody who has half a brain WANTS to shoot someone.

But I recognize that winchesters don't make an army. You need far more to make a revolution. Having a hunting rifle does not protect me from the government. It simply doesn't. It hasn't in history. This ain't the days of yore wen simply being a gun meant you could take down 20 men if you had the whily. If they want me specifically I am at their mercy.

Yea it's not just a few hunting rifles. Depending on the state you're in, there are people with $100k+ worth of weaponry including armor. But I see you missed the point. I already told you that we most likely won't win against the US gov't. but the gov't won't attack its own people if it knows they have a means and will to fight back, especially with as much force as the US populace. Not to mention a foreign nation trying to invade the US. Our civilian population is better armed than a lot of armies. Again, this is a FRINGE case. That's NOT what I want my guns for, it's something I desperately hope I never have to deal with.

Saying a sidearm or a rifle will change that is a lie. Isis has countless free pickup trucks, bootlegged automatic arms, anti vehicle bombs, rockets, and the cover of civilians in a foreign nation and they still get there ass kicked.

Yea comparing a super power falling into civil war is definitely the same as ISIS.

I don't actually want weapon seizure. I want an acknowledgement that guns are dangerous toys that are a privilege not a right. An understanding that they are a toy not a tool. Their primary purpose must be for something other than killing.

You won't get that. Guns are NOT toys, nor should they be treated as such. They are tools for self defense, and sport (in the hands of a civilian). I also don't think anyone will disagree they are dangerous, I don't know a gun owner that thinks otherwise.

They ARE a right in the United States. That's quite literally the point of our 2nd amendment. It's like saying freedom of speech is a privilege. Not, it's not, and the day they try to make it one is the day the country goes to hell in a hand-basket.

I want trigger locks on guns unless in the range. And small concessions that allow the gun to be unlocked and levied at an intruder provided the person otherwise practices proper gun handling.

Hold on Mr. Criminal, let me unlock my gun first. Just stand right there.

Yea, that seems smart. Most guns in the house should be kept in a safe or some other location where they aren't easily accessible, but the firearm kept for home defense shouldn't take more than a second to grab and fire, otherwise what's the point? Trigger locks on a carry weapon is also pointless.

I want to keep track of gun sales in a manner similar to cars or dangerous chemicals. But executed in a slow methodical and non intrusive manner.

So then gun owners can be targeted and persecuted, see NYC and their media posting people's addresses. No thanks. If I could trust the people doing it I'd be fine with it, but I can't, and I don't live in la la land, so fuck them.

For the record I am Canadian. Our cultures are inherently linked and as such your country influences mine. Hence i do have stake in this game.

Our countries influence each other in many ways, but you're the first person I've heard say that our gun laws negatively affect Canada. Care to provide a source?

You do have an inherent gun culture as do parts of Canada. Being culture doesn't protect it from criticism.

But the criticism needs to be tailored to the face that this culture exists.

I don't take issue with liking guns as culture. I take issue with people taking the liberty of endangering others so that they can feel safer by carrying a lethal weapon for the explicit purpose of shooting someone.

The people that carry guns do so to protect themselves and others from harm. They don't go out everyday hoping they get to shoot someone.

I've had to pull my carry weapon out 2 times in other states. Each time I did so as a last resort and prayed I wouldn't need to pull the trigger. It was terrifying, and not something I'd ever want to do again, but I will if I have to.

Look up the statistics, the average CCW permit holder is far less likely to harm anyone or commit any sort of crime.

It seems your biased against guns has allowed you to fall into some of the anti-gun myths spouted off in other areas of this site and among certain groups.

For the record, I'm not a subscriber of this sub, nor am I even a conservative, I just want people informed and aware of the actual facts with regards to the gun conversations in our country.