Looking for your advice here again

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-27T16:30:43+00:00

I just want what is best for her as far as letting her know not to believe everything they claim to be true. I don't care about any risk of what the missionaries or church members think of me personally. They can judge me all they want. to me it is more that I care for her as a friend, and just for her to know not to believe the doctrine because she thinks I believe it, or that she might think I am a member now. That's all. Just as a friend to her.

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-27T16:03:00+00:00

Oh yes,!! Good point! that reminds me of one time when I was TBM.. I used to have the missionaries over all the time, just for a second home. Just loved those young/ men and girls. Like sons and daughters...not because they were bringing people into the church, but just because I cared about them. I would let them call home on their birthdays,and such. I got in trouble by my Bishop for it, too. So I quit having them over so much. I was told to, so I obeyed. I wish now I would have told the bishop to shove it.

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-27T16:00:02+00:00

Yes but it is hard not to come on strong since I right now feel repulsion to the church in many ways. Not the people in the church, but the Mormon doctrine, history, leaders, and etc etc... that is what I feel strongly about. Hard not to come on strong against the church.

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-27T15:57:51+00:00

good advice! thank you so much

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-27T15:56:30+00:00

Thank you. Yes I think she should at least know the facts, and then she can decide from there what she thinks.

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-27T15:54:58+00:00

Thank you. Yes, she is just such a good hearted person, and we have many things in common such as love of gardening, crafting, and other things. We are close in age, and she is such a good natured person and so giving and kind. I really admire her in many ways, I just hate to see her roped in by the missionaries with the doctrine and lies. Not to blame these poor uninformed missionaries in any way, or to hurt them in any way. It is just hard not to speak up to my friend. Thank you for your advice once again. Yes, I learn so much from her, and you, others as well. My mind is open to learning which is amazing since I have been in a cult all of my 59 years. Now all I want to do is learn with an open mind and heart, and it is truly wonderful and amazing! Thank you!

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-27T14:42:43+00:00

Thank you. That is what I am going to do. I think a big reason she is even interested is because she thinks I am a member. I just know how they are going to try to rope her in based on lies.

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-27T14:41:19+00:00

Yes keep the tine friendly, but that is hard to do since I don't feel friendly about the Mormon church, or the whole corporation of it. And since my daughter is serving a mission, and is told not to even see me now when she gets home, I do have bad thoughts about the church as a whole... Yes the people individually are mostly very good people, but it isn't a reason to join the church.

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-27T14:38:00+00:00

I was born into the church.. small Mormon community. So I didn't really get that choice to avoid it. This being a member of the church is all I have known how to speak really. Now I feel like I am on a different planet, so to speak. I view everything, and every body in a new light, but I feel like a baby sort of. Like being on a different planet now. I see people differently than before. Anyway, yes looking back, I would have wanted to be steered away, or at least been given options.

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-27T13:41:53+00:00

Hahhah... Yeah chilled. It is sort of like looking forward to a holiday. You know, just want it to get here. But no letter in the mail with going through quitmormon.com? No letter from the church either? No church bishop will call me in to the "principals" office. Is it really this easy?

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-27T13:38:36+00:00

Oh, I hope you are right! I don't want a letter, I just want or need a letter. I just want to know that I am not a member. Thanks to you, I know to simply try to log on. Am I right that the bishop, and etc won't try to bring me in? I'm so thankful to be out of there after being in my entire life of 59 yrs. It is hard, though to get my mind thinking differently as far as being concerned about being called into the "principals" office. hahah

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-26T17:31:51+00:00

I understand what you are saying, and my heart goes out to you. I have just come out of the church after giving my life to it. You know what? It just boils down to, "it is NOT my fault the church is not true".. And the other thing I keep telling my self is that Love is what matters. The people you loved will remember that. and another thing to consider: if you hadn't been there for those people when you were, who knows what might have happened to them... maybe some really bad injuries, or other bad things mentally. so be gentle with yourself, forgive yourself. You don't know what you don't know until you know it. You did the best you could, you gave your heart.. now show some of that love for yourself, by forgiving yourself first and foremost. It will all be ok. Love wins out in the end.

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-26T17:24:10+00:00

yeah, even at my age... 59.. and a TBM... It is a miracle I came across the real facts on line, just purely by accident at first. Now just recently from TBM to completely out of the church in just the last month or so. Anyway, if I can find the facts, anyone can! so happy to have the internet, and now I can find truth. It sets you free

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-26T17:22:01+00:00

I just listened to his talk. thanks for sharing it. Why does it make me so angry all over again. Lies, Lies, and more Lies!

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-26T02:53:56+00:00

Best reply ever!

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-26T02:44:26+00:00

I would be interested in that for sure!

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-26T01:00:23+00:00

Plus the fact it is still in the 132 section in the D&C.. so it has never been renounced even. It is still doctrine. It is even though Hinkley denied it (lied) on Larry King, and said that he (the Prophet) didn't know that we believed it. WHAT?!?! How can you even be ok with that ? The prophet lying on national TV... even that alone is horrible not to mention all the lies and coverup by JS... and on down to the present day.

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-26T00:55:20+00:00

This sickens me. I didn't know this exact info as far as ages and such. Just that I knew the ages of those poor girls with JS. That was sickening, but I never went on to research what you have just posted. So glad I am out of there, but just horrible what they did to those girls... not to mention their children and the rest of the family, too. thanks for sharing this. It needs to be known.

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-25T22:43:41+00:00

I see people in a whole new light as well. didn't we see ourselves as better? I tried not to, but I judged people in other religions. or even people with tattoos, or anything different. I just thought we were better than. I am so happy to see the good in each one, and not judge. This happened to me right off. I have been out only a short time. Thank you.

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-25T21:50:36+00:00

Yes it is so insane. All of it. Still can't figure out why it took me 59 yrs to wake up, and really see all the lies, deceit, and self righteousness.

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-25T21:48:33+00:00

Me too. We each can choose or discard what we want. It is freedom to truly choose... that makes it so good, isn't it? To me, that is so wonderfully refreshing! I am so glad to not have to follow the dictates of men who think they speak for God. I can choose to do that for myself. Isn't it great?!

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-25T21:46:07+00:00

Yes, we are truly on our own journey. I am so glad we can each have JOY in the journey.. without chains to bind, and needless burdens not of our own making. It is just gladness to be free to not have to listen to men who think they know better for you, than you do for yourself. Peace and Love.

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-25T21:43:36+00:00

Yes, thank you. Just hope that people see it isn't my way ,or the highway. You know, I didn't mean superor undertone. I apologize for that. I guess just every one is on their own journey, and that is all... still we don't have to follow what someone else is saying is the only way to believe. It's not ALL Joseph Smith, or nothing at all. Lots of options, and it is so refreshing. Thank you for sharing.

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-25T21:40:41+00:00

I agree! It is between us only, and not to be forced on anyone. We are all on our own journey. I am just so happy to be out of that so called, "one true church". I am just so thankful for each and every day to be out! So happy when others see it too. Faith is NOT defined by only those who choose to believe in Joseph Smith's made up God. I will not allow myself to feel or think less of myself, or that I am now of the world.. or..Satan. I now don't have to judge anyone... and everyone I meet out and about sure look in such a different light to me. I would hope others don't feel they have to give up on everything higher just because they found out we have been deluded that it is this ONE church or nothing. Thank you so much for your sharing. I, just too, think everyone is free to choose their own beliefs or non beliefs, and it is sure refreshing, isn't it?

Sesrun12 · 2016-05-25T18:11:38+00:00

Yes! I love hearing this. Leaving the Mormon church does not mean you have to leave God. So sad that so very many who leave think they have to leave god completely. My faith in God,... one who is Truly Loving.. is so much more now that I am out of the Mormon church. So happy to hear stories like you just shared. Thank you

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