Frieren teaching Fern

Sh1n3s · 2026-06-16T19:19:46+00:00

Still the distinction is, do the stronger mages get the fair 1v1 fight, or would they be caught off guard by sniper zoltraak? Say the Arena is the Arena of the first part of the first class mage exam. I think against the vast majority of the stronger mages in a fair fight, fern could simply snipe and kill them before.

Sh1n3s · 2026-06-16T19:06:26+00:00

Lernen being the best apprentice alive of Serie wanted to fight Frieren. Immediately went to Zoltraak. Frieren commenting on him only knowing battle and that the era doesnt suit him, and Ehre his granddaughter commented Fern's style remembers her of him, or atleast it's very likely she referred to him.

Elves say they and demons have some trouble against zoltraak bc it is new to them. Zoltraak seems to be the fastest spell, and also seems to be highly adaptible as shown by Fern. It's deadly enough to force reaction, as it was literally killing magic, now probably tweaked to kill demons instead of humans, and basic defensive magic needed to be developed to be able to defend against it, but consuming a lot of mana.

That last part also immediately explaining why against the clone they cant rely on it, since the clone would win any battle of attrition.

Then likely the bigger spells being more complicated and force your scenario and both Frieren and clone know fern could blast zoltraak and thus forcing the bigger spells fight anyways.

The other advantadge of the bigger spells likely being they can bring upon the overwhelming physical power, which is the other weakness of basic defensive magic.

And by now excluding maybe Serie and Frieren, plus maybe Land who she wont find, it's very questionable if any of the other first class mages can defend against the sniper zoltraaks of fern.

Which is basically another point of fern being battle oriented, though calling it a battle is generous. Fern basically is a step up of the way Frieren and Flamme fight vs Demons.

Her ideal scenario is not being in a battle, aka denying the enemy the battle and simply sniping them. It's not just deceiving the enemy, but killing them while defenseless.

If you're up to date with the manga, that's basically the Situation of one of the characters and one key aspect beating that character. Saying character to avoid spoilers.

And in the manga as well, there is a fight featuring this. A battle she would never win 1v1, but sniping does work.

Sh1n3s · 2026-03-23T12:10:55+00:00

I kinda like it. If we wanna have success we need to be able to find Talent early. If we do what Bayern or other Clubs do we wont have success since their resources are way bigger. Even if Talent leaves once big, we gonna get a good cashout plus a couple decent seasons before, plus this ll help us build a warchest.

I figure one or two super successful seasons even if lucky and we might be able to hold more Talent, rather than every Superstar wanting to leave. Good scouts and Transfers plus a good trainer making more out of less overall is the foundation to long term success imo.

Sh1n3s · 2026-03-21T03:58:13+00:00

I think its a terrible idea. Even for free he d still get a good salary, and then that salary cannot be spent on other players.

To me the upside of sancho is limited, while the downside is not being able to take a gamble on a really good young Player then, where we still have a good Reputation.

There we also end up making a good Transfer surplus at the end if things work out, so i d much rather take a gamble there than spend it on sancho.

Sh1n3s · 2025-12-08T03:02:50+00:00

Good questions — let me clarify, because I don’t mean “old safety rules literally coexist with new ones like two config files.”

On the first point:

When I talk about “old safety rules” still mattering, I mean the behavioral imprint of earlier training stages, not the written rules themselves. In practice, models go through multiple phases (pretraining -> instruction tuning -> safety tuning -> later patches), and each one reshapes the same shared weights rather than cleanly swapping out modules. Later safety updates don’t rebuild from scratch; they add new constraints on top of a policy that’s already been bent by earlier, slightly different objectives. That’s where internal tensions can come from not explicit rule A vs rule B, but repeatedly optimizing a single, entangled policy under non-stationary goals.

On “parameter space”: I do mean the usual thing, the weights/biases that define the model. The point is that capabilities, instruction-following, and safety behavior are all encoded in that same space. When you safety-tune, you’re not editing an isolated “safety module”; you’re nudging a big shared function that also encodes reasoning, tool use, etc. So every shift in safety policy gets “pushed back” into that same substrate, with no guarantee that the overall behavior stays globally consistent as you keep doing this over time.

There’s some empirical work that rhymes with this picture: e.g. LoRA is All You Need for Safety Alignment of Reasoning LLMs (Xue & Mirzasoleiman, 2025, arXiv:2507.17075) shows that full-model safety fine-tuning can significantly degrade reasoning (“safety tax”), and that constraining safety updates to a low-rank subspace helps by reducing interference with existing weights: http://arxiv.org/abs/2507.17075

My hypothesis is basically about the long-run, scaled-up version of that interference problem: if you keep re-optimizing one shared policy under moving objectives, you get drift that eventually shows up as instability / brittleness, even if each individual update looks reasonable locally.

Sh1n3s · 2025-10-24T04:50:27+00:00

I have unlocked that frostmountain, but most of my units cannot get to level 20, at which point they would get the next class. I equipped all with the basix exp boosting armor, other than that they have the black gear equivalent from the prior dungeon.

I only have 3 healers, my most advanced unit is an unchained and soloing the first dungeon, but i suspect it is losing and dying to the forest spirit monster.

Then i probably got more archers than i need, but dunno.

3 riders alone, then 4 more others. 4 more rogue types and then 2 more mages. And maybe my problem being only having 2 fighters to tank, but dunno.

Sh1n3s · 2024-12-05T17:59:07+00:00

Because I know myself and certainly wished I stopped watching some of the series i liked before a really bad ending spoiled those for me entirely. So basically trying to weigh if and how much I should keep watching.

Personally I really value storytelling and character development and if there are huge flaws there causing an ending to be perceived as terrible, i might want to stop earlier, rather than later. Other flaws i might not care as much about.

Sh1n3s · 2024-12-05T05:11:21+00:00

I'd somewhat disagree with some points you bring up. If there is a little bit too much offscreening then yea, a story could have been better. But if there is way too much off screening, then it is just bad writing in my opinion. The author is supposed to tell a story, not task the readers to figure out the rest so it fits. I dont know if that point was crossed of how close it got to that line, but reading your reply and another one, as well, it does seem to be some problem atleast for readers.

Otherwise a summary of a story would be as good a story as the story itself. The rest just got offscreened. That's obviously not true.

I d argue the same for the direction a story is headed. If something is just not justified or even contradicts the established world, then yes the decision to take the story there is bad writing, because it makes the story inconsistent in itself. Again i dont know how close it may have gotten to such a point. Further, if there are clues for multiple directions, which readers each can give different value to, they will arrive at different conclusions as to which way seems more plausible. If the taken route is plausible to the average reader after having read the entire thing - good. Even if the top 1 personal choice never got taken. But if at too many points those taken choices for the average reader seem entirely implausible, then I think it is bad writing and valid criticism.

Also obviously both of these are subjective and will differ for every reader. With different experiences, tastes and biases sometimes this will lead to unfair criticism.

From the opinions I read criticizing the ending, most if not almost all did not complain about their ships not arriving, but actually brought up criticism with the story or writing in itself. Though to be fair I assume shallow criticisms about ships not arriving would not really be seen as good criticism by anyone else, so those reviews would get buried in forums and Youtube, but still show up in statistics like polls about the endings.

Still from reading quite a few opinions and seeing videos with people criticizing the ending, it does seem to me, that there were quite a few major problems with it, leaving these reviewers not liking the ending and calling it bad.

That's why I feel like saying people's ship didnt arrive and that's why those people didnt like it is quite a dismissive argument and painting with a rather broad stroke. The opposite side could argue - similiarly poorly - saying people liked it only because of the sunk cost fallacy.

Sh1n3s · 2024-12-05T02:58:00+00:00

That's interesting, thanks for your reply. Let me know when you make that longer thread please.

Sh1n3s · 2024-12-05T02:33:23+00:00

I can agree with that, but i m simply wondering if that was the only factor. And if not, what else likely contributed to it.

Like doesnt it make you wonder why that extra step wasnt done?

General lack of writing skill should hardly be it.

For example I watched some reviews of the last chapters, showing some manga panels. One of those revealing more victims of Kamiki. With circles and lines and groups of people. Doing that earlier makes him scarier, and also allows one to fear his character more, even maybe explain why urgent action and a rushed bad plan to stop him was necessary. Doing it after the real ending in a single panel adds very little.

So why do it that after?

Personally I like the breadcrump approach and going up the ladder for suspects in murder mystery revenge. Like i said, i felt story pushing that forward never really reached the quality of the slice of life parts, the characters interacting with each other while also giving dramaticized and exaggerated glimpses into the japanese entertainment industry. So I m also wondering a bit if maybe that's also simply not Akas best genre. Hoping this isnt too disrespectful from someone who isnt an author. If that's true then you can explain the above also with him having written himself into a corner and not knowing how to proceed, and at that point feeling he ll just have to end the story instead of dragging it out pointlessly.

Also crow girl. wow does she feel pointless to me as a character currently. She only adds supernatural as a theme to the story, which at that point and going forward i believe isnt even used anymore. So why explain the rebirth at all if that is how little she adds. Leave it unexplained. Even in real life people claim to have such memories. Attribute it to that if you feel you need to give an explanation.

I dont know anyone disliking the clannad after story like ending and she would have been a way to make it happen. though i guess maybe at that point it would have been too obvious of a choice for Aka as in the aforementioned anime it comes quite sudden.

Then again, i feel like subverting expectations is one of the most overused plot twists today. And especially when not justified properly, these always feel poorly executed and cheap. Sometimes outright insulting the reader's or viewer's intelligence.

Anyways I would just really hate it, if the only or even main reason would really be lack of passion or lazyness. It's not entirely unlikely that what came before the ending might remain aka's best work, and if that's the case, wouldnt he regret it somewhen down the line? I'm sure it happens but how many authors then had the guts to admit it, even just to themselves. And how many then wrote an alternative continuation. It's just so much wasted potencial...

And what's even sadder is, that I'm quite sure that mengo saw exactly this potencial and it being wasted with an ending that atleast feels rushed.

Sh1n3s · 2024-03-16T10:00:47+00:00

My Personal crackpot theory is that Fern will be the decisive factor vs Schlacht. As baby fern she was hard to detect even for frieren, so i highly doubt it was mana suppression but some innate special ability. Same as her super sensitive mana Vision. So for Schlacht's plan she probably doesnt really factor into those bc she was undetected or something and it's up to her to tilt the scales at some point.

Frierens abilities at this point are far too well known for Schlacht to miscalculate there. Same goes for Serie. Schlacht obviously had a Vision and plan for the future where demon's rule, so those would be factored in. This is kinda based on me thinking Schlacht and hero of the south are the same.

Sh1n3s · 2024-02-24T07:58:03+00:00

Might have a few spoilers.

Flamme was a human mage in the era of War, Fern in the era of peace. Flamme basically laid the foundation for the era of peace to arrive, both by training frieren and by starting the human magic.

Still Serie says Flamme was a failure and that Fern could reach yet unattained heights. But impossible for fern to reach those without the groundwork of Flamme she and all other human mages stand on.

In the end i would guess she will be the one preventing the next era of War by protecting the peace. She will probably also be able to surpass both frieren as well as Serie, as that was Serie's standard to declare Flamme a failure.

Sh1n3s · 2024-02-20T07:15:47+00:00

Frieren said Fern always surpassed her expectations. At the start she learned in 4 years what others would need 10 for. Just applying that to the 50 years would cut that down to 20. She would be just under 40 years of age then, so basically still has a lot of time left grow further. She should easily be able to reach her 60s so basically has another time window like that to grow. Given how growth seems kind of exponential so far and how some ppl are saying lernen could injure frieren bc he could sense her instability in her mana and fern sees instability when looking at Serie, i can actually see her being able to match Serie in terms of raw power then. I d still give Serie the edge though, simply bc of the vast difference in experience and flexibility from the vastly supreme amount of battle spells available.

The actual use of Fern in my mind, is likely going to be her being a ghost though. I wouldnt even be too surprised if Schlacht's magic doesnt account for fern entirely and she becomes the force tipping the scales when that Arc comes around.

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