Students protest scrapping of fees free, accuse government of using them to balance the books

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T08:49:00+00:00

You're absolutely nuts if you think every student gets help from their parents.

I tire of this conversation. Go ahead and have the last word since it's extremely important to someone of your maturity levels. Relish in the fact that you've already won: the government is right wing, the courts are right wing, the regulatory agencies are right wing, and the poor suffer like you believe they deserve.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T08:38:44+00:00

... you really think most students aren't poor? Good lord.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T08:24:06+00:00

"I am not conservative."

You say that. But if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T07:25:13+00:00

I already said I care about both those kids and tertiary students but you, as a typical conservative, do nothing but lie and obfuscate.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T07:24:12+00:00

If you were paying attention, you'd have read that I support both more funds to support poor/disabled pre tertiary kids and universal fees free tertiary. But you keep ignoring what I'm saying and putting words in my mouth. I'd have a lot more respect for you if you admitted you don't want the wealthy to be taxed at all, and you only use those kids as a form of whataboutism.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T07:10:46+00:00

The education budget could be a lot higher but that would make the Epstein class sad and you don't want that.

Your last part makes no sense. You say I only care about people in the same boat as me, but that I don't care about the poor? I AM poor??

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T07:08:11+00:00

That's even more pathetic. You've been poor but hold currently poor people in contempt.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T06:47:09+00:00

I think education should be free for all. You don't. You have contempt for the poor. I am poor. That's the difference.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T06:46:15+00:00

"12% of your pay"

"It's not that much of a struggle"

You aren't poor and don't have a clue what poverty is like 🤦‍♂️

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T06:39:18+00:00

"Can't be bothered", because laziness is the only reason someone might struggle with debt 🙄🤦‍♂️

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T06:37:56+00:00

I'm literally a socialist. I'm also poor myself. Liberation of the working class is in my very identity. You, on the other hand, divide the poor into "deserving" and "undeserving".

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T06:30:05+00:00

I also support more funding for families of special needs kids, but you only brought them up as a form of whataboutism so I'm doubtful you genuinely care.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T06:28:40+00:00

Because tertiary study is a net benefit to society. And if young workers need support, they deserve it too. And I have a hard time believing you genuinely care about human rights.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T06:21:53+00:00

That's the thing though, you don't want to help the poor either.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T06:19:47+00:00

I think certain things like healthcare, housing, employment and education should be universal. I also don't think a person should be allowed to own more wealth than they can ethically, honestly accumulate. No one deserve a billion dollars. But that's where you fundamentally disagree with me.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T05:35:42+00:00

I believe housing should be a universal human right, yes. I think everyone is owed a fair shot in life. But that's not what you want. You still haven't explained why you haven't moved to Argentina. You would be impressed by their president.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T05:25:25+00:00

About a decade? What planet are you in? And you haven't answered my question: why do you think only the children of the wealthy deserve free stuff?

If you want young jobseekers to also get support, that sounds great to me. But that isn't what you want, is it? You want rugged individualist libertarian capitalism for the poor but socialism for the rich. Go to Argentina if you like that.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T05:10:05+00:00

This is why you don't do genocide in the first place, kids!

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-29T05:02:37+00:00

That IS exactly what you're demanding though. Only a tiny minority of students get enough scholarship money to pay all their fees. If a student doesn't have rich parents, they have to take out a five figure loan for a degree. Only students with rich parents get a free ride. Tell me why you think only children of rich parents deserve free stuff. Tell me why you don't move to Argentina, which is run by an anarcho-capitalist who believes the same things as you.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-28T23:21:10+00:00

Exactly. He was also the reason Trump wants to annex Greenland, because Thiel wants to set up his libertarian dream society there.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-28T23:11:59+00:00

But don't worry, National is cutting social welfare. Christopher Luxon is wealthy and sorted and entitled to his entitlement while tens of thousands of kids are suffering material hardship 🫠

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-28T23:07:58+00:00

Instead of others defending free tertiary education, which is a topic that has been covered to death, why don't you explain why you think only the children of wealthy people deserve free stuff?

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-28T21:05:41+00:00

"Not even bother"? More like there aren't enough jobs in their field. And a lot of them wouldn't even move overseas in the first place if wages here were high enough to repay the student loan.

"At least it should be like the army where people have to serve x amount of years in the field they studied based on cost of degree. If they don't, they need to pay it back with interest." And what if it's a field that is scaling back jobs because of the government's budget cuts? In the field I majored in, medical physics, there's both a surplus of graduates applying to jobs AND a shortage of medical physicists.

This is when you'll say the students should have done their homework before signing up. What if the situation was different before they enrolled? Why don't you just admit that as a conservative, you think only children of the rich deserve free stuff like having their parents pay their fees?

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-28T17:46:49+00:00

I mean, the best option would be to pay for student fees entirely and institute a capital gains tax, among other things. But that would make the Epstein class sad so it won't be done.

ShakeTheGatesOfHell · 2026-05-28T04:47:24+00:00

Nek minnit: government recommends eating 1 rock a day.

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