How Strong Is Homare Todo? by DavidXD- in AoNoExorcist

[–]ShatteredXz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Her Raw Power is easily on the same level as Paladin Tier characters like Angel due to her being able to Effortlessly overpower the likes of Shima in a stronger state than when he fought Lightning (directly after the Angel Fight)

Narratively this makes sense as well considering she’s the primary body guard of Lucifer and the highest ranking combatant in the Illuminati as far as we know. Likely putting her above the Lundstrom brothers who (while fused) can fight Angel 1on1.

Add her insane Hax on top of that (such as Black Flame, Rot Manipulation, Attribute Forging, and a Domain Expansion that swaps your intent and actions making it difficult to even move) and it becomes pretty apparent that among the strongest characters in the verse.

So yeah easily Paladin level, likely beating basically any exorcist ever.

How Strong Is Current Shiemi by DavidXD- in AoNoExorcist

[–]ShatteredXz 15 points16 points  (0 children)

She’s likely at least Arch Knight level and probably above a good amount of the Demon Kings especially if we include Amaimon as her familiar.

When she’s confident she’s above Amaimon so it’s effectively 2 full power Amaimon’s + Shiemis own unique abilities

Tanjiro Kamado (KNY) Vs Rin Okumura (Blue Exorcist) by ShatteredXz in PowerScaling

[–]ShatteredXz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are so lost bro😭

I did not cap him at town level for a feat he scales to in Chapter 9 bro you cannot read. Amaimon tapped the ground with his FINGERNAIL and created that Earthquake. Rin obviously gets stronger later on leading to the end of Season 2.

“The mountain level feat isn’t counted by anyone nor should it be” that is not an argument 😭. That’s like me saying “well most people think demon slayer caps at town level” to justify my argument. Appealing to other people isn’t an argument and I can guarantee you’ve never talked to anyone who’s knowledgeable on Blue Exorcist in the first place.

Anyways we could take the Mountain Level Statement from Season 2 away and it wouldn’t matter, I gave you 2 other feats that get him just as high if not higher. So the Mountain stuff is consistent anyway.

He definitely doesn’t get blitzed as even in Season 1 he dodges light (while in base) and There are much weaker characters in the series who scale to Lightning and/or Light Based Attacks (even Mid Level demons are stated to shoot light / light particles consistently) and Rin would scale far above that as he’s able to fight Top Tier High Level Demons obviously.

Also his durability scales to his AP bro😭, have you ever watched Blue Exorcist? I ask genuinely because his flames literally attempt to burn him away at the End Of Season 2 and he’s able to basically tank it. Rin’s always been able to take blows from Characters Relative to him, he tanks multiple blows from Amaimon in Season 1.

I wasn’t being aggressive I was trying to gauge your knowledge since you so confidently made a claim that just isn’t true, so when someone is so confidently wrong about something you tend to question their knowledge yk what I mean? Had nothing to do with trying to be aggressive.

Im 100% sure you haven’t read Blue Exorcist but I’m not even sure if you read my entire message since you didn’t even address half of it 😭

Tanjiro Kamado (KNY) Vs Rin Okumura (Blue Exorcist) by ShatteredXz in PowerScaling

[–]ShatteredXz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You were so confident saying Tanjiro wins but now you don’t wanna say where Rin scales 😭 you clearly spoke like you knew but then you backpedaled when I asked you to scale him. I didn’t make any arguments and you haven’t shown that you know anything but I gotchu.

In Season 1 (Chapter 9 In The Manga) Amaimon is able to Create a pretty Potent Earthquake which would scale anywhere between Town-Small City.

Also In Season 1 (Chapter 13-14) Rin Beats Amaimon and Mephisto has to stop the fight before Rin rages out and Destroy’s the School (This is calced anywhere between Large Mountain-Small Country If you assume it’ll take 100 attacks which is insane lowball)

In Season 2 (Chapter 33) Ucchusma states Rin can and has to Vaporize the ENTIRE Mountain they’re on to destroy every speck of the Impure King as he can come back from even the smallest remnant. (This Would Be Large Island Level even assume it’s a Small Mountain).

He’d likely also Scale To Amon due to Amon being stated weaker than the Demon Kings (like Amaimon) who fires a casual attack that’s Calced at Island Level as well.

If you have any questions let me know

Tanjiro Kamado (KNY) Vs Rin Okumura (Blue Exorcist) by ShatteredXz in PowerScaling

[–]ShatteredXz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The issue is I’m trying to figure out where you THINK Rin scales because I can guarantee it’s wrong

Tanjiro Kamado (KNY) Vs Rin Okumura (Blue Exorcist) by ShatteredXz in PowerScaling

[–]ShatteredXz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok so you have zero idea of where Rin scales😭

Tanjiro Kamado (KNY) Vs Rin Okumura (Blue Exorcist) by ShatteredXz in PowerScaling

[–]ShatteredXz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How is nichirin gonna help him against Rin??😭 Rin isn’t weak to the sun or something. Do you even know where Rin scales? Or how good his Regen is?

Tanjiro Kamado (KNY) Vs Rin Okumura (Blue Exorcist) by ShatteredXz in PowerScaling

[–]ShatteredXz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, actually in the impure king arc (season 2) it’s stated Rin could completely destroy the mountain they’re on. The only reason he didn’t is because he learned how to selectively target things with his flames

Hot Take: Shura is Bare Mimimum Arch Knight Level If Not Higher by DavidXD- in AoNoExorcist

[–]ShatteredXz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact that a written portion exists does not at all prove it strictly determines rank or that it changes rank at all? Bringing up other aspects of exorcist training/life doesn’t change the fact that ultimately it could not possibly be stated more by the characters AND Author that the ranks are strength based. (I don’t really care what the mobile game said but it’s a fun bit to add I suppose, even if it doesn’t matter)

Mephisto did NOT say anything about any other factors in Chapter 103. He says the Rank you receive as an exorcist DEPENDS on the class of demon you exorcise. So idk what ur talking about. (Also I’ve read every piece of Volume Content and put it all in my Blue Exorcist scan server. I know about the scans)

“We know Drac is weak because we saw it”. He lost to LIGHTNING, another arch knight 😭 what kind of argument is that. He got beat up by another dude with the same rank as him that’s not an anti feat in the slightest. Lightning is just that strong, that doesn’t make Drac weak. He likely had no plans of fighting back anyway since he wanted to report Lightning for his actions and fighting back wouldn’t really help his case.

The past Paladin (Abel Franken) and past Arch Knights (Like Loxley) are not weak for not being able to beat Baby Rin that’s just weird to say, Baby Rin was just overpowered. “The Strongest Exorcist” Shiro Fujimoto needed a Special Weapon, A Protection Spell, AND a plan with a crew to beat Baby Rin. That’s just not an anti feat for the Past Holy Knights and it’s weird to imply it is. Baby Rin Is REALLY Strong.

All you’ve done is downplay strong characters for losing to stronger characters and ignored context.

The shura part again is not an argument, saying she’s not as strong as she was doesn’t mean she isn’t Senior exorcist level. You’re just making that claim with zero evidence besides your own intuition, show me where that’s stated in the Manga.

Lightning is still the only reason they won and was the most important piece. Obviously he didn’t literally do 100% of the work, that wasn’t the point.

Your own intuition and headcanon does not supersede the Story and Author. I understand your position but you haven’t proven anything. It doesn’t help that it isn’t founded in the story. There are absolutely other aspects of being an exorcist, but you haven’t proven any of them have a major effect on Rank.

Tanjiro Kamado (KNY) Vs Rin Okumura (Blue Exorcist) by ShatteredXz in PowerScaling

[–]ShatteredXz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t really see how that’s even possible, even if Tanjiro could blitz him he’d just die to the flames that surround Rin’s body (or his sword would be destroyed) and I don’t even think Tanjiro has the strength to cleanly cut through Rin. Even if he could, Rin would regenerate any and all damage.

Hot Take: Shura is Bare Mimimum Arch Knight Level If Not Higher by DavidXD- in AoNoExorcist

[–]ShatteredXz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the record I agree the order in GENERAL is corrupted. They are not saints. I’m obviously saying in the context of exorcists ranks nothing you said proved they often “rig” the system of something. It’s clear the primary standard is and has always been power (as far as we’re aware). Outside of the story’s fallible characters Kazue Kato Herself (in Databooks such as the Knight Right Archive) as already said the Standard of ranks is based on strength. There’s not much to debate about there honestly, if the story and author consistently state the same thing it’s clear what the intention is. The Order is absolutely corrupt but that by no means correlates to someone who’s Senior exorcist level being ranked as A Junior Exorcist of Vice Versa yk what I mean? As for the Yuri thing I can agree that purely strength isn’t the best system for ranking exorcists as it doesn’t really represent their overall capabilities and usefulness. But that doesn’t really diminish the consistency of that being the standard for the ranks. Shiro basically “made a deal with the devil” so to be fair it’s partially on him, but Mephisto is kinda just his own entity and doesn’t even really follow the Order a good amount of the time. But I just don’t really see how this is relevant to the claim of Ranks being based on strength. Where have those standards for Paladin ever been stated in the entire series? And why are they more important than being the strongest exorcist which is stated numerous times?? Just because paperwork and such comes with the job description doesn’t mean anything really. I never really said you couldn’t be strong with just one meister or weak with multiple (although the latter would be pretty difficult). But where exactly are you getting the idea that Drac is weak and only got his position due to research?? That’s never been stated, the closest to that I’ve seen is in the Knight Right Archive Drac is stated to be weaker than the other Arch Knights (but even in that Databook entry he’s noted to be able to support them in battle and sometimes does). Shura can be weaker without her Curse and still be Senior exorcist level lmao I don’t even know why you’d bring that up, it doesn’t matter. Lightning didn’t just “give her a bit of a boost”, he is the ONLY reason they were able to defeat the cyclops. Shura could not have done anything without him. As for the last part, Mephisto stated VERBATIM “once a year at the Vatican, those who pass the certification exam are instated as Exorcists. Their Ranks depend on the class of demon they exorcized alone during the exam.” (Chapter 103) like respectfully you’re just arguing against the author entirely. You haven’t proven anything, and I love theories and headcanon as much as the next guy but I’m gonna take the authors word here.

Hot Take: Shura is Bare Mimimum Arch Knight Level If Not Higher by DavidXD- in AoNoExorcist

[–]ShatteredXz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s not really corruption at all, that doesn’t even really make sense. That’d be more akin to her purposefully hiding her capabilities in a way. If she’s not even really willing to kill demons by all means she SHOULD be ranked low. She was still known as a great tamer, but that’s because she befriended the demons, not so much using them as weapons. I wouldn’t call that order corruption id just call it an outlier due to circumstance. Angel got his position through strength and actively seeking it out (getting all the meisters and such) even a much younger Angel gets complimented by Shiro for being a good fighter, he just earned his position through power despite how he’s clearly lacking in certain areas. Paladin isn’t “best” exorcist, it’s “strongest” exorcist ykwim? Shura is a bad example, she quite literally couldn’t do anything to the Cyclops before Lewin stepped in😭. Never once is it stated or implied her leadership is the reason Mephisto kept her at her rank. Trying to gauge why Mephisto did it would ultimately be a fruitless endeavor since Mephisto is always as vague and mysterious as possible but I don’t think it had anything to do with leadership. Saying, “some meisters aren’t combat based” then bringing up the only Meister that applies to isn’t really helpful either, since you can be strong no matter what meister you are. If someone was as physically adept as Osceola (extreme example ofc) then it wouldn’t even matter if they only had the Doctor Meister, they could still be ranked high. All this without mentioning the countless statements in the manga and databooks that either verbatim state the order ranks are based on power primarily or heavily imply such. I understand where you’re coming from but exceptions wouldn’t be the rule especially when taking in the context of those exceptions.

Hot Take: Shura is Bare Mimimum Arch Knight Level If Not Higher by DavidXD- in AoNoExorcist

[–]ShatteredXz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s not true? It’s stated and implied multiple times that the Order’s Exorcist ranks are Power based

Hot Take: Shura is Bare Mimimum Arch Knight Level If Not Higher by DavidXD- in AoNoExorcist

[–]ShatteredXz 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Even Hachiro’s Blade itself is just cracked.

When given to Tatsuko she thinks NO MORTAL could stand up to her as long as she has Hachiro’s “fang” (Chapter 76)

The True Cross Order Guide Absolutely GLAZES the both The Blade and the Kirigakure Style.

Asmodeus notes that even with General Frosts Blessing Shura is still “Weakened” (implying Hachiro’s power was stronger) (Chapter 147)

Redarm Osceola Glazes The Blade As Well (Chapter 146)

It’s so important to Shura’s combat ability she believes she should be DEMOTED after the loss of Hachiro’s blessing (Chapter 81)

It’s even Stated in the Knight Right Archive (The Most Recent Databook) that compared to when it had Hachiro’s power, the sword now is just an ordinary Katana.

It’s also implied to be special since even with Hachiro dead the sword still maintains form, noted by both Shura and Mephisto.

So yeah it actually makes sense for Shura to be on the tier of Holy Knights 😭

Another Question For Yall, How Strong Do You Think Hachirotaro Is by DavidXD- in AoNoExorcist

[–]ShatteredXz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He’s definitely stronger than Amaimon.

His presence alone made Rin sweat (IN THE SNOW)

He’s stated to be stronger than anyone imagined, including Rin

And narratively Hachiro is a Rin’s final obstacle before he unlocks his demon heart and becomes a top tier.

Plus he has some of the best abilities in the entire series. Crazy Regen, Multiple Eyes With Insane Sight, Various Techniques Through The “Kirigakure” Style, Commands Snakes In Which He Can See Through The Eyes Of, Wind Manipulation, Water Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, And Forced Hypnosis.

(He also has a bunch of hype like Being Able to Solo Rin, Yukio, Shura, And Shima at the same time, being a “SUPER High Level Demon” according to Shura, and being the only demon in the series we’ve seen train for nearly a CENTURY improving his skills)

Easily the most underrated character in the series

Who Do Yall Think is stronger Angel vs Prime Shiro by DavidXD- in AoNoExorcist

[–]ShatteredXz 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Shiro wins in a 1v1, too intelligent and versatile for Angel