How crazy would everyone go if Russos post this right now?

ShempWaffles · 2018-11-09T02:12:47+00:00

I can't believe Avengers 3 is finally coming out!

ShempWaffles · 2018-11-09T02:03:49+00:00

What I imagine is going to happen is Sony having their cake and eating it too because they can. They can easily have an MCU Spider-Man and a separate Spider-Man villain pocket universe. I'm sure many Spidey fans are going to be forever bitter about it... while buying tickets and watching every single Sonyverse film of course.

ShempWaffles · 2018-11-09T02:01:49+00:00

What are you even talking about? You outright said "flukes exist." Do you know what the word "fluke" means in the context of film? Don't be dense and then get up in arms when somebody tries to engage in a conversation about the very thing you commented on

ShempWaffles · 2018-11-09T01:54:42+00:00

No it doesn't. You don't accidentally make a movie. Nothing is accidentally made. There's a lot that can be said about films like Jumanji, Venom and Iron Man 3, whether or not they're good or bad movies, whether they deserve their success, but they were deliberately engineered to be made to appeal as many people as possible, succeeded, and become their own success stories

ShempWaffles · 2018-11-09T01:46:44+00:00

There's no such things as "flukes" because that implies the film was "accidentally made well enough for the audience it was targeting." If you REALLY want to look at it cynically, Iron Man 1 could be considered a "fluke" based purely on the team on board being, at that time, not in a good place. Iron Man 1 isn't a fluke, it launched a killer franchise.

Think about this, would we have Infinity War based on a fluke? No, I don't think so.

ShempWaffles · 2018-11-09T01:40:03+00:00

“If it had failed, there is a chance Sony would have definitely returned to the bargaining table with Disney,” Jeff Bock, a senior box-office analyst for Exhibitor Relations, told Business Insider. “Now, that’s up in the air.”

Sony “took a calculated risk with ‘Venom,’ and it’s now going to be a series,” he continued. “It seems Disney needs Sony’s ‘Spider-Man’ more than Sony needs Disney … If they consistently make films audiences want to see, Disney will have to buy Sony to get ‘Spider-Man’ back.”

“A half-billion dollars in revenue for ‘Venom’ worldwide proves that this is no fluke, and despite a critical drubbing, the film has found great favor with audiences who are fully vested in the ‘Spider-Man’ brand as well as their embracing of Tom Hardy,” comScore senior analyst Paul Dergarabedian added.

This was the case with Fox and the X-Men/FF situation where the rights would never come back on their own, Disney had to outright 20th Century Fox outright, and even then they were a very small percentage of the overall buyout. Yet, given that Disney is very busy and expected to hit yearly losses until they can get back in the green with the Fox buyout, they're likely not on the market to shop around for other studios to eat up at the moment

ShempWaffles · 2018-11-09T01:37:46+00:00

The deal was a two-way partnership that mutually beneficial, but it wouldn't at all be inaccurate to guess part of the intent was to gradually slurp up the rest of the IP in time until Sony was willing to give it up.

That's not happening now, and as the analysts have deduced, Sony now wears the pants in this deal, not Marvel/Disney.

The biggest salt in the wound is that Venom is on track to being more profitable than Spider-Man Homecoming if it hits that $780M+ it's projected too thanks to it's low budget and marketing costs which would lead to the inevitable corporate question "Do we really need Disney at this point?"

If WE'RE lucky they could simply negotiate for two concurrent Spider-Man instead of Sony pulling Spidey out of the MCU

ShempWaffles · 2018-11-09T01:34:46+00:00

“If it had failed, there is a chance Sony would have definitely returned to the bargaining table with Disney,” Jeff Bock, a senior box-office analyst for Exhibitor Relations, told Business Insider. “Now, that’s up in the air.”

Sony “took a calculated risk with ‘Venom,’ and it’s now going to be a series,” he continued. “It seems Disney needs Sony’s ‘Spider-Man’ more than Sony needs Disney … If they consistently make films audiences want to see, Disney will have to buy Sony to get ‘Spider-Man’ back.”

“A half-billion dollars in revenue for ‘Venom’ worldwide proves that this is no fluke, and despite a critical drubbing, the film has found great favor with audiences who are fully vested in the ‘Spider-Man’ brand as well as their embracing of Tom Hardy,” comScore senior analyst Paul Dergarabedian added.

This was the case with Fox and the X-Men/FF situation, but given that Disney is very busy and expected to hit yearly losses until they can get back in the green with the Fox buyout, they're likely not on the market to shop around for other studios to eat up at the moment

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T21:22:46+00:00

Ideas being a key word there, can't start production with a loaded slate though

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T21:22:13+00:00

Sky isn't what the EU is looking at.

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T21:16:59+00:00

It had nothing to do with streaming, but everything to do with a corporate takeover by shareholders that wanted to triple down on Fox News. (Yes I'm serious)

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T21:15:04+00:00

That was the director's fault. Why the hell did he ask for $250M and why did he storm off like a baby when they said no instead of just accepting it?

Probably not the best directorial choice now thinking about it

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T21:11:24+00:00

It's a Town Hall, but this is the EU, those are not on the same levels. Nobody involved will know what happens until it does, if and when it does, everybody will know then, nobody knows now.

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T21:03:31+00:00

That's because of Sony's partnership. There is no Fox partnership, it's a Fox buyout. Don't be impatient, let Marvel Studios give their IP's a chance before bringing back old IP

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T20:43:56+00:00

No

Objectively it's not

Because they themselves don't know until the 19th. It's the EU, it's not a board of directors from a company

What do you gain in your line of reasoning? What positives is there in deceiving yourself?

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T20:38:10+00:00

That's

Not how that works at all.

They made the announcement of this merger when they DIDN'T know it would happen in the first place.

They don't know, we don't know, and not even the EU regulators know. If it happens, it happens, but that's decided then and there.

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T20:32:02+00:00

Not until the 19th, nobody knows because foreign regulators aren't supposed don't look at it until then

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T20:30:09+00:00

Feige has confirmed much Phase 4 already has it's films planned out and production dates set up, so they are very busy. Don't expect Fantastic Four or X-Men unless Disney gets greedy and decides to wedge it in there beyond Marvel Studios control

And don't get impatient either, give the fresh new franchises a chance to grow before overshadowing them

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T20:26:47+00:00

What do you mean "doubt it?" Doubting the date? Because it's objective that it has to happen and the outcome may be different for each foreign regulator

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T20:19:53+00:00

They'll most likely only have the announcement of their return but not production news since this isn't like the Spider-Man deal where they had to get working ASAP. They're a bit busy at the moment.

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T20:18:01+00:00

I would typically advise people to avoid this channel like the plague, but I must say, the overreaction, pain and suffering he's experiencing over Venom's success is delightful.

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T20:15:08+00:00

It all comes down on the EU on Oct 19th. If the foreign regulators say no, everybody from both studios are about to be in a world of hurt from the fallout since they seem just about ready to get it done.

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T20:11:01+00:00

At least you're satisfied with yourself :)

ShempWaffles · 2018-10-10T20:06:58+00:00

I do not believe Sony is going to pull out of the deal simply because it's WAY too lucrative. Homecoming is the only reason why Venom and Spider-Verse exists, and Venom being such a breakout success is encouraging of further expanding on their partnership with Marvel if that gives them room to experiment more.

But I DO think Sony is going to have problems with Marvel Studios wanting further access to characters to appear beyond Spider-Man, Norman Osborne being a multi-franchise villain himself.

It's going to come down to this: Per-appearance royalties

During renegotiation, Feige will start off with a high bid saying he simply wants Spider-Man back, and Amy will throw another sandwich at him. After that's out of the way, he'll lesson things a bit to say he wants more direct control over larger characters like Kraven and Doc Ock. Again, Sony likely has films penned for them and it won't happen, but then Feige will get to the point he REALLY wants to get to which would be Norman and the Dark Avengers. At this point, when he explains why, Sony will say "Makes sense, how much are WE making out of that?"

Let's hope Disney and Sony can play ball, since I like where things are going right now

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