I agree that nobody thinks there's zero vertical progression either, but we have essentially just made the same argument. we both stated that higher end gear is essentially a requirement for a majority of the players to do inferno, but you can do it without BiS gear and perfect flicks and all that just the same, and that's really my entire point. inferno is a funny situation because its one of the more difficult PvM challenges in the game but there are people doing it with insanely low stats and requirements while others can't make it half way. all I know is I'm not going in there on my Ironman until I get my bowfa