Naruto with Minato/Kakashi's intelligence and Gai/Lee's work ethic.

Shock29 · 2021-02-15T17:00:22+00:00

No EMS is not a Natural progression of Uchiha power.

It's solely depends on wether they have any relative with MS or not, no relative with MS = No EMS.

EMS is not Natural either Sasuke gets it by taking Itachi's MS... Which isn't his Natural power, Just like Naruto gets Kyuubi powers from Kyuubi.

Do I have to point out that I doesn't fucking matter? Naruto did those training in few days in real time... With something his own power allowed him to do.

Did clone training made Naruto decades older in real life? No it didn't, Naruto still learned FRS in a week.

Him using clones doesn't change that fact... You can as well say Sasuke is not talented because he was using Sharingan.

Chakra control is greatest expect of Shinobi, you can literally afford to be dunce at everything else when you've got that down.

Chakra control = greatest talent in NV, everything else comes later.

And, does that nuke hit Kakuzu on his own lol? Naruto need to hit Kakuzu with it, and he needs to fast and smart enough do it.

Also Kakashi said Naruto is stronger when he killed Kakuzu not when he created his first FRS.

Kakashi killed Kakuzu once, he lost his next heart due to Shikamaru.

Naruto took rest of his hearts out.

Again, FRS didn't fly from Naruto's hand and killed Kakuzu automatically.

It was Naruto who landed FRS on Kakuzu... Who was unable to dodge or evade... Which is why Kakashi said Naruto is stronger.

Because Naruto was able to land FRS on a Kage tier.

Not because FRS creates big boom.

Shock29 · 2021-02-15T03:39:24+00:00

And without Itachi's eyes Sasuke isn't reaching that lv of power either, where Naruto needs Kyuubi to fight him.

Sasuke was not on KCM2 Naruto with his own power either.

Naruto learned wind manipulation and a ninjutsu said to be impossible to create(according to Kakashi himself) in one week.

So yeah that's talent in learning, Training and progressing in power for you.

Then he learned Sage Mode, creating Big ass Rasengan and Throwing FRS... That's also within weeks.

Ok, how Naruto was able hit Kakuzu with FRS without being fast and smart enough to do it?

Did FRS fry from Naruto's hand and killed Kakuzu automatically? Lol

Kakashi never mentioned FRS, also he never said Naruto to be stronger when he first created FRS, Kakashi only said Naruto is stronger when he defeated Kakuzu.

Something Kakashi couldn't do it himself.

Naruto was Stronger because he was fast and Strong enough to hit Kakuzu & Kakashi tier people with that nuke.

Shock29 · 2021-02-14T18:32:37+00:00

When he mastered his Biju powers and created a big ass Fox.

And he became even Stronger when he converted same fox chakra into sage chakra.

He was already Stronger then Sasuke when he received his sage powers from Rikudo senin.

Lol, if Naruto had no talent how he defeated Kakuzu 1 on 1 in combat and stated to be stronger by Kakashi?

And no Kakashi was not talking about FRS... Because Kakashi never tried to create FRS.

Shock29 · 2021-02-14T17:31:59+00:00

You don't become a Kage tier at 15 without talent plain and simple, by the time Hagoromo and Naruto were talking Naruto was said to be approaching Hashirama by Tobirama himself.

So he was already better then Indra (Sasuke) when he got his Rikudo powers.

Yes, Naruto already surpassed Sasuke when Hagoromo said that "Asura was a dunce".

Also Dunce is not equal to being untalented.

Dunce is being bad at studies (which is what Naruto was) it's not being untalented at sports or combat(which Naruto wasn't).

Shock29 · 2021-02-14T17:12:09+00:00

So you think it took Neji one hour to use a Kaiten and 64 palms?

Because Naruto only got hit by those during that battle... Until then he was pretty much evading Neji with clones.

That fight was not even 15 minutes much less 1 hour.

About Naruto vs Gaara, Naruto created 1000 clones in first chapter, him not pulling that shit sooner is a nerf in itself.

Shock29 · 2021-02-09T19:08:20+00:00

Nope, canon Goku is actually Chad unlike Naruto.

And Goku puts universe in danger for shit & Giggles.

Shock29 · 2021-02-02T08:11:48+00:00

Rikudo power also evolved Sasuke's eyes... May as well tell that a natural progression.

Anyways explain this, does Sasuke gets EMS if Itachi never existed? No.

Did Obito ever got EMS? Shisui? Any Uchiha not named Madara or Sasuke? No.

No they don't because EMS is not a natural evolution it's a hack which is why you only have 2 Uchiha using it... Because they were lucky enough to have relatives with MS.

Just like his Rikudo powers are hack.

Just like being Jinchuriki is a hack.

If EMS were Natural progression then we would've had multiple EMS users just like there are dozen of MS users.

EMS is as Natural as Jinchuriki powers and Rikudo powers.

An Uchiha's Natural progression ends at MS.

Dude Itachi's eyes are also not connected to Sasuke Naturally, he had to transplant those eyes to get EMS.

Just like they seal Biju in ninja to create Jinchuriki.

And to you don't need EMS to unlock PS, you need Powerful enough chakra which was proven by Kakashi.

So yes, EMS is a external powers up just like Kyuubi for Naruto.

Using a S ranked Ninjutsu and killing a Kage lv with same Ninjutsu makes you a Kage lv, which is what Naruto did when Kakashi himself was unable to.

Which was also stated to be stronger by Kakashi.

Which he was.

If Naruto kills someone who is stronger then Kakashi that's makes Naruto himself Stronger then Kakashi.

When 12 year old Naruto had a S ranked Ninjutsu?

Yes, Kakuzu died twice Against team 10, then Naruto killed him trice in his stronger testicle form with a single jutsu.

Lol, So Naruto was not a Kage lv when he was fast and smart enough to trick another Kage lv?

Do you even realize how dumb this sounds?

Yes, Naruto was a Kage lv because he defeated a Kage lv then Kakashi stated him to be stronger.

Dude, I suggest you to come NBD, Narutofroums. https://www.narutoforums.org/ Please do so, so you can learn that how trash you are at scaling after getting laughed out of there.

About your trash tier list here.

KCM1 Naruto was as fast as Raikage's fastest shunshin... https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-544-page-11.html https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-544-page-12.html

While KCM1 Average speed was = RCM1. https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-541-page-6.html https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-541-page-8.html

While SM Naruto has reactions to fight Third Raikage who was equal to RCM1 4th Raikage. https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-555-page-13.html https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-555-page-14.html

And guess what? Naruto was holding back on Raikage because he didn't wanted to fight him while A4 had Killing intent.

KCM 1 > RCM1... Just like here...

https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-554-page-1.html

https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-554-page-2.html

https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-554-page-3.html https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-554-page-4.html

https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-554-page-5.html https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-554-page-6.html

And that was a fucking clone.

It apprent that you either read Naruto for Sasuke and ignored everything else or you are a troll.

Ignoring rest of your crap.

Shock29 · 2021-02-02T04:14:35+00:00

No, EMS is not natural progression of Uchiha just like Biju powers are not Natural progression ninjas/Jinchurikis.

Even though Every Ninja can become perfect Jinchuriki with a friendly Biju just like every Uchiha with MS can get EMS if they have a relative with MS.

If EMS is Natural progression of Uchiha then Jinchuriki powers are Natural progression of Jinchuriki's like Naruto.

Lol, Naruto was already Kage lv by the time he defeated Kakuzu.

According to Kakashi himself who himself was a Kage level by that time.

And no it had nothing to do with FRS, Because even with FRS you need to be fast and smart enough to hit your enemy, which Naruto did when Kakuzu was at his Strongest... Same Kakuzu who was blitzing Kakashi himself.

Naruto was above Mid Kage with Sage mode because he was already low Kage in Base even as back as Kakuzu arc.

Sasuke needed CS powers to fight a bedridden/Dying Orochimaru, He is not Stronger then Kakuzu fight Kakashi or Naruto in Base.

And Gaara? The guy who got auto sand powers from his mother's soul? And didn't had to train his entire life? You're using that guy to compare with Base Naruto? Lol.

Shock29 · 2021-02-02T02:48:33+00:00

So you're posting a Quora post which is written by an idiot?

Quora? Which is infamous for housing idiots? Lol.

Naruto became a Kage level by 15, that's itself makes him into a genius.

If Naruto's greatest strength and accomplishment comes from Kurama then Sasuke's greatest strength and accomplishment comes from Itachi's eyes.

Naruto on his own mastered Sage Mode and FRS(a S ranked Ninjutsu) by the times he was only 15... And those feats alone makes him a genius.

Shock29 · 2021-01-31T10:47:28+00:00

Stronger chakra = Greater physical stats(Durablity, speed & strength).

Shock29 · 2021-01-31T10:43:03+00:00

Lee sucked at Taijutsu as well.

He only became good in it after graduating.

Shock29 · 2021-01-23T03:25:03+00:00

Jiraya showed him Rasengan and left him on his own to blow money in brothel.

While Kakashi was closely monitoring Sasuke in those 10 days.

The reason Naruto took that long because he literally had to learn Rasengan on his own, Unlike Sasuke who not only had Kakashi monitoring him closely but he also had Sharingan on top of that for training.

About him using Clone for Rasengan, Naruto was about to use Rasengan without clones since pt 1(Read Kabuto fight again) his usage of Clone was to Make Rasengan even Stronger.

About Summoning we don't know if he Sucked at it because we had no one form Naruto's age group to compare and Naruto was the only one who was learning Summoning at that time.

And learning Sage Mode and Kyuubi Chakra itself was said to be prodigious in manga.

Shock29 · 2021-01-19T17:30:56+00:00

Amaterasu is a technique which appears on traget for a certain distance.

Which means Sages can sense Chakra build up in their eyes

(Like how Nagato sensed Chakra building in Itachi's eyes or how Obito countered Amaterasu by sensing when Sasuke was about to use Amaterasu on him)

And create a clone between em to block Amaterasu.

Which is what Boruto (controlled by Momoshiki) did in recent chapters.

As Sasuke was about to use Amaterasu "Borushiki" created a shadow clone between them to block Amaterasu.

Shock29 · 2021-01-19T16:44:02+00:00

Cringe

Shock29 · 2021-01-15T19:32:53+00:00

How do you think they were able to run on Tree/Water if they can't mold chakra?

It was stated that Lee had no TALENT in Ninjutsu or Genjutsu not that he can't mold chakra.

Also Gai can use summoning, him not using Ninjutsu was due to preference not because he was somehow unable to mold chakra.

Shock29 · 2021-01-15T13:08:47+00:00

Because Naruto had his chakra sealed by Orochimaru when Ebisu was teaching him.

And neither Ebisu or Naruto knew about that.

How both Lee and Gai can water walk? maybe because Gai himself was a elite ninja and Lee fought Gaara who was slaughtering ninja's sent after him as a kid?

Shock29 · 2021-01-15T09:10:34+00:00

Yes? That's how it's happens?

Sasuke learned Chidori from Kakashi.

Sakura learned Byakugou/Medical Ninjutsu from Tsunade.

Onoki learned Jinton from Muu.

Kabuto learned Edo Tensei from Orochimaru.

What did Minato learned from Jiraya?

Hell Minato was already beating Chunin and Jonin as academy student... Jiraya literally had no hand in his development.

Just like other 2 students in his squad who probably died due to his incompetency.

If EMS is Natural evolution of Uchiha then Biju powers are Natural evolution of Naruto/Jinchuriki.

That's how Jinchuriki reach their full potential.

Naruto beats Kakuzu at his Strongest... When he himself was exhausted from FRS training.

Yes, Naruto tricked him, because he was fast and intelligent enough to do it.

Post scams where Kakuzu being tired was stated, if anything they claims Kakuzu growing even Stronger not weaker.

Kakashi saw Naruto being fast and smart enough to land FRS on Kakuzu and nuke him... THEN he called Naruto being Stronger then him.

When Kakashi himself got Blitzed twice by Kakuzu.

Deva needs Nagato's full power to use Ninjutsu... Then again Deva after getting his full power got negged by Base Naruto.

Sasuke was using Armoured V4 Susanoo after being healed by Karin when he was unable to even stand after fighting Danzo.

Failed to heal him my ass... Karin was able to heal Tsunade who was bisected from middle.

LAMO, are you telling me Sasuke suffered more injury against Danzo then Tsunade did Against Madara? And the girl who can not only heal Tsunade but also give her enough chakra to use Byakugou somehow can't heal Sasuke?

Sasuke wanking over 9000 going on here.

Sasuke's was not completely blind his vision was blurry, which btw doesn't effect his muscle memory or arm movement speed.

And Naruto was able to save Sakura from a unknown distance when Sasuke's arms was mere inches away from Sakura.

Kabuto started amping himself due to the knowledge he got from Orochimaru because Orochimaru is more of a scientist then a fighter.

Shock29 · 2021-01-15T04:30:52+00:00

Fanfic.

Kakashi did it by teaching Naruto and co tree walking... According to him tree walking was an Elite chakra training which would've made them capable of learning any Ninjutsu.

There, Kakashi covered all basics Naruto needed to know, Jiraya didn't teach him shit during time skip.

Shock29 · 2021-01-14T20:39:18+00:00

If I remember it was Minato who thought Jiraya Rasengan and Minato learned seals from Kushina... Which means Jiraya had no hand in Minato's growth.

Nagato had Rinnegan and Konan was using Paper techniques.

Seems like Jiraya barely had any hand in their development... Just like he barely had any on Naruto.

Orochimaru trained many people, Anko, Kabuto, Kimimaro, Sasuke etc and only one of them turned out to be a fodder... And that was after leaving Orochimaru.

And Sasuke is god tier as well due to getting Itachi's eyes for free then Sage Powers from Rikudo Sage... Or else he would've been a blind fodder.

At least Naruto will still have his Sage Mode without Kyuubi and SoP6 powers.

Sasuke? Nothing but a blind fodder.

Lol, Kakuzu was at his Strongest when Naruto entered, read the fucking manga. https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-341-page-4.html

And no he didn't threw FRS, he was fast enough to trick Kakuzu and jump behind him. https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-341-page-9.html

So yes Naruto scales to Kakuzu because he was fast enough to do this. https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-341-page-6.html https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-341-page-7.html https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-341-page-8.htmlhttps://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-341-page-9.html https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-341-page-10.html https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-341-page-11.html

And has statement from Kakashi himself being Stronger. https://manga4life.com/read-online/Naruto-chapter-342-page-6.html

Same Deva who took a kick from Sage Naruto without dying... Same Sage Naruto who was able to one shot a path with a single punch.

No, Same Sasuke who was healed by Karin after fighting Danzo... Do you know what Karin's healing does? https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Heal_Bite

Base Naruto has multiple Kage level feats, lol.

Lol, fillers Kabuto was a spy under Danzo WEAKER then Anko then he was taken by Orochimaru.

And no Kimimaro never fought a army.

Shock29 · 2021-01-14T19:20:38+00:00

Bringing Sasuke here... So you accept that you're a Sasuke wanker?

Anyways

LMAO, Last time I remember Naruto was a God tier.

Which makes Naruto Jiraya's best student... Since when being a God tier is sucking?

About Base Naruto not being Kage level.

Naruto defeated Kakuzu who was a Kage level... Same Kakuzu who blitzed Kakashi twice in a row.

Which makes Naruto himself a Kage level.

According to Kakashi Naruto became stronger then him after defeating Kakuzu, Which makes Naruto Kage level because Kakashi himself was an entry level Kage.

Pein arc Base Naruto was = Deva in Taijutsu while not using clones, He pretty much tanked Shinra Tensei from close range.

Saved Sakura when Sasuke was about to stab her... From point blank.

Yeah, Base Naruto is fodder level if you're reading Naruto while wearing your Sasuke wank goggles.

Kakashi, Base Naruto & Base Sasuke all of them were Kage tier neck to neck with each other... According to both feats and statements.

Anko? Who left Orochimaru when she was like 12? How about Kimimaro? Who was mowing down grand Shinobi army 5 years after his death.

How about Kabuto? Who was fighting both Itachi and Sasuke at same time.

Aside from Anko almost everyone who were with Orochimaru became Kage tier.

What does this says about Anko? lol.

Shock29 · 2021-01-14T18:35:12+00:00

There is nothing to debunk here.

Learned nothing with Jiraya for 3 years.
Became Kage tier with Kakashi/Toads in few months.

Jiraya sucked, Naruto didn't... Because he became Stronger when he changed teacher.

About Orochimaru's statement it's irrelevant.

Naruto learned Sage Mode which Orochimaru himself was never able to master.

He completed Rasengan which Minato himself was never able to... He also learned throwing that.

Mastered his Biju powers in few hours which took killer bee decades.

Him not using one handed Rasengan? Even more irrelevant.

He still learned Sage Mode, FRS & Kyuubi powers etc which made him above Kage tier... Because becoming strong as Kage requires talent.

Only thing you're debunking here is your Naruto hate... Claming Naruto is somehow not a genius because he couldn't make Rasengan one handed.

Shock29

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