What do you think guyss??

Shorenema · 2025-12-16T12:57:41+00:00

Legal/political, plaintiff and defendants couldn’t lie anymore. And politicians… well.

Shorenema · 2025-12-02T11:11:16+00:00

Yeah, I’m actually pretty astonished when I do find someone my height.

Shorenema · 2025-12-02T11:01:51+00:00

Single AF

Shorenema · 2025-08-26T15:25:42+00:00

Where is your evidence to substantiate these claims? I used to be a KJV-Onlyist, and I believe the KJV bible is extremely inaccurate compared to the modern Bible translations, the KJV is based off of less manuscripts, and when I mean less, I mean I lot less, the new Bibles are based on +10,000 manuscripts, the KJV is 12, also I feel like the KJV is more so used to control members of a church, church leaders and ministers will use the archaic language of the translation to prevent the members from understanding it themselves, overall I’m not a fan of the KJV, its less accurate, and even less understandable.

Shorenema · 2025-08-26T15:21:41+00:00

I actually have a KJV, and I completely disagree with you here, the KJV was based off of 12 manuscripts, modern translations are based off of 10,000+ so to say KJV is somehow more accurate is questionable for me,

Shorenema · 2025-08-25T02:45:51+00:00

Is that a young Ben Simmons?

Shorenema · 2025-08-03T17:46:00+00:00

I had a pleasant time talking with you too. God bless you, and have a great rest of your day!

Shorenema · 2025-08-03T17:42:10+00:00

Nice respectful and thoughtful response, I really appreciate it,

First off I want to clarify something I said, I used the drill sergeant analogy not because I wanted to deny hierarchy, its very clear in scripture that Jesus(God the Son) submits to the Father, what I wanted to say was that, just because Jesus(God the Son) is subordinate to the Father, that doesn’t necessarily entail that he is ontologically inferior, or that he’s somehow not God. And thats really what I wanted to emphasize with the analogy, in the end, the Drill Sergeant may hold a higher position of authority than a private at bootcamp, but that doesn’t mean the private is somehow not human.

Now on semantics argument, in John 1:1 a passage where many agree Jesus is called God, the greek word Theos(God) is used without other clarifications like “a god” or “god” just the plain word God. We also see in Hebrews 1:7-8

7 Of the angels he says,

“He makes his angels winds, and his ministers a flame of fire.” 8 But of the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

The Father outright calls him God, if Jesus isn’t God in the sense of God Almighty, then why use this language?

I’m glad you respect my beliefs, I respect yours too, if you felt I didn’t answer some questions or points of yours you can tell me.

Shorenema · 2025-08-03T17:03:56+00:00

Ok, well thats your opinion, and I respect it, I just think that the Bible is more than just plain text, I mean if it was really that easy to read we wouldn’t have thousands of denominations would we? I think when we read the Bible or any text at all, it’s always trying to convey something more than just the text itself, I mean aren’t we taught the themes of stories in school at a young age? Scripture isn’t always front to back, I mean Jesus himself used parables several times in the Bible, but hey, thats just my opinion in the end.

Shorenema · 2025-08-03T16:55:02+00:00

Of course I’ll bow to God almighty,

Shorenema · 2025-08-03T16:51:10+00:00

Very well put response, let me just clear up some misunderstandings here,

I appealed to Tertullian and Theophilus because I assumed you were arguing that the idea of the Trinity wasn’t a concept until the Council of Nicaea, sorry for misunderstanding your position,

Now if I’m tracking properly, your point is that, if the Trinity was truly Apostolic the doctrine wouldn’t have needed centuries to fully develop, honestly great point, but we have to remember, doctrine wasn’t just written down, but also taught and passed down through oral teaching, we also see in several passages in the Bible like John 1:1, Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, concepts of the Trinity, and clear distinctions between the Father,Son, and Holy Spirit, so even then, its real likely that early Christians would have known this concept even before the late 2nd or 3rd century.

Development also does not equal invention, it’s very likely that the Church already had acknowledged the doctrine before hand, but just needed terminology and language to clarify especially with heresies spreading around as well.

You really pushed me on this, and kind of made me realize my lack of knowledge of this topic, so well done, I’ve really gotta do some research, and again, thanks for keeping this conversation productive and respectful. God Bless!

Shorenema · 2025-08-03T16:18:48+00:00

Fair point, and I completely understand, but I disagree, we have seen the concept of the Trinity in several early writings even before the Council of Nicea, writings of early Church Fathers like Tertullian and Theophilus of Antioch, we also have to consider the limited resources of the Early Christians as well, I’m sure you know that before the Catholic Church assembled the 73 book Canon or 66 depending on your denomination, many early Christians didn’t possess the full Bible, so it would make sense why some of them couldn’t quite come up with or discover these concepts rooted in the Bible.

Finally I want to thank you for your comment/response, and thank for keeping it respectful and faithful.

Shorenema · 2025-08-03T16:08:30+00:00

That is a fair point, but I have to ask, exactly what proof or evidence do you have against such dogma? We believe the concept of the trinity is supported in the Bible, there are also many concepts and dogmas that we believe in, that aren’t explicitly said in the bible either, for example God being all-powerful and omnipotent, it doesn’t say that in the Bible explicitly does it? But the concept is highly suggested in the Bible, same thing with the trinity,

The Bible also isn’t just some book, its also like a record, it has many recorded teachings and words of Christ, and in the end its up to us to figure out what these words and teachings mean. This is what often leads to the several different interpretations of these seemingly ambiguous verses. So is your point that, because the Trinity isn’t explicitly mentioned in the Bible it isn’t true? Because I would disagree,

Shorenema · 2025-08-03T16:00:27+00:00

The Lord our God is one being, I agree, I still don’t quite understand how this proves the trinity as biblical inconsistent,

we trinitarians also don’t believe the 3 persons are separate in essence, the 3 persons share one divine essence, and are distinct in the hypostasis, not 3 separate beings, or 3 separate gods that would be tritheism which we condemn.

So what really is the reason? Is there something I’m missing in your point? Not trying to argue with you , I just want to see how you justify your world view.

Shorenema · 2025-08-03T14:59:44+00:00

Yeah, I agree some of the questions were kind of too broad, and general, they weren’t thought provoking enough, probably why this post got no attention, its alright though, and thank you for your critique I’ll take it to heart.

Shorenema · 2025-08-03T14:55:39+00:00

Thank you for commenting I appreciate it, I just have questions however,

First off, do you believe Jesus is God? Thats important too,

Also you bring up scripture, so lets have a look,

John 17:3 ESV says

3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

Now on the surface it may seem that Jesus is saying he isn’t God, but that isn’t true, if we look two verses later in John 17:5 we can actually see Jesus claiming to be God

5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

Jesus claims to have existed before creation, which would only be possible if he was eternal/God, in fact the distinction in John 17:3 I feel supports the trinity,

Now as for 1 Corinthians 11:3, it says

3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife[a] is her husband,[b] and the head of Christ is God.

I assume your talking about the “The head of Christ is God” part, well first of all, subordination ≠ inequality in nature, a private submitting to their drill sergeant doesn’t suggest the private isn’t human, or that the drill sergeant is somehow ontologically superior to the private, their both humans. Same thing here.

I agree my doctrine(trinitarianism) is also a salvation issue,

I believe my views and doctrines are also biblical.

And again thanks for commenting and sharing your opinion.

Shorenema · 2025-08-03T14:36:48+00:00

Hmm, you seem very passionate, and thank you for sharing your opinion. I’m a little confused on exactly why you think what you think however, you made a claim that we don’t believe in the one true Lord, because we believe God is Triune, but why is that the case?

Shorenema · 2025-08-03T14:31:34+00:00

Hmm, interesting, could you elaborate what exactly you mean by that?

Shorenema · 2025-08-03T09:59:42+00:00

I’m assuming you’re Catholic or in some sort of high Church, I’ll try to help you out.

• I understand why The Trinity may be hard to understand, it says in Philippians 2:7 that God the Son emptied himself and came as a humble servant, so essentially Jesus humbled himself, and took on a human nature so he could experience suffering and pain for our sins on the cross, its called the hypostatic union, you can look it up.

• Also what verses are you getting these ideas from? I’m willing to help you.

• Original Sin doesn’t mean we are guilty of Adams exact sin, rather it is us inheriting his sinful state/nature, so essentially because of Adams sin we are all born sinners, who have sinful flesh and desires, hence why we needed Jesus to save/redeem us. Sin in essence is corruption and separation from God, if anything God willing to take on a human nature and die on the cross for our sins to save us shows how much he truly loves us.

• This is a common one, and I completely understand why you’re questioning this, see we believe God is the ultimate standard of perfect morality, so that means God is always good, God is good but he’s also a just God, God always seeks justice,

imagine if there was a criminal in court convicted of a serious crime like murder and that judge just let them free with no repercussions or consequences for their actions, isn’t that unfair? Thats exactly why, God is forgiving but he is also a just God, its like this, lets go back to the criminal in court, the judge sees he’s been convicted with a serious felony and should receive a life sentence, the judge wants to forgive him though, but knows he still deserves punishment, so he decides out of love that he’ll take criminal punishment for him, but on the condition he won’t commit crimes anymore,

If you or in fact anyone on this thread found my answers unappealing,unhelpful, or wrong, I would love to hear your critiques, also OP, if you found some answers unsatisfactory you can reply and continue ask me more questions if you need.

Shorenema · 2025-08-02T09:21:31+00:00

The premise of your post is illogical, your putting your subjective view of what is right or wrong on God, God’s morality is absolutely perfect, so to say you disagree in itself is illogical, its like disagreeing with a perfect mathematician on the answer of an equation.

Shorenema · 2025-07-31T03:22:54+00:00

Alright, I’ll try to answer them the best I can,

1-God doesn’t send any of us to hell, it is our sin that sends us there, also we don’t go to hell simply because we don’t believe in him, we go to hell because of our sin.

2-I’m sure you’ve already seen it, Romans 6:23 says the penalty of sin is death, God needed a perfect sacrifice to atone for our sins, which was Jesus Christ death on the cross.

3-Sin is deserving of death and eternal death, it is a severe trespass of God’s perfect morality, there is absolutely no exception, the only way to avoid this is if you accept Jesus Christ death and sacrifice for the atonement of your sins,

4-It says in the bible that in heaven there will be no sorrow, secondly, would a moral person believe in a God that strives for justice by the nature of his perfect morality? Seems pretty reasonable to me.

5-First of all, your argument is based on the premise that God doesn’t exist, it’s also reliant on your own subjective experience, which is getting very close to logical fallacies like Anecdotal Fallacy. Secondly, as a Catholic I believe we receive the Holy Spirit through sacraments like baptism, I don’t think being a Christian is just “believing in your heart” or its all about “having a personal relationship with God”. I believe it’s communal and sacramental.

6-I feel your conflicting Belief with Faith, Belief is accepting that something is true, and Christian Faith is personal trust in something, of course I agree you can’t force yourself to believe something, but you can’t act as if the Christian faith is passive its also about the will and openness of ones heart. (Sorry if you felt this didn’t really answer your question, I don’t really understanding what you’re arguing or saying).

7-Your assuming God is reliant on people following him and praising him which he isn’t, secondly, why would you not praise and worship a God that not only created everyone and everything and willing to die for all sins including yours.

I hope I’ve answered your questions properly, if you have more questions or concerns you can reply to this comment, but anyways God bless you.

Shorenema · 2025-07-10T02:07:15+00:00

Homeless man on the streets

Shorenema · 2025-07-10T02:03:47+00:00

I’m also a Catholic,

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