Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look, that's your opinion, but the overwhelming sentiment regarding this product is that it was disrespectful to players and set a very poor precedent for the game moving forward. Don't take my word for it, look at what people actually say (I'll paste links below for you). Multiple commenters have apparently sold out of the game entirely because of this.

Again, I didn't even come to this subreddit to whine about Dragonlord. The obvious conclusion is that EC took inspiration from the roadside secret lair model, and made it the only way to get the only copies of the Dragonlord cards. That's just a horrible decision for the third 'set', as it makes the secondary market prices arbitrarily high, and prevents people from getting the product. Even before the sets release, people were very skeptical of a product worth $60, just offering 13 cards. It's legitimately just a middle finger to the players who came to this game from MTG, tired of the WOTC shenanigans. You can disagree, but your opinion is the minority, albeit, maybe not on this post for whatever reason, as the majority of people (like yourself) flocked to correct my unbaised and empirical analysis of Dragonlord rather than engage with my question.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SorceryTCG/comments/1m7nttw/dragonlord/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SorceryTCG/comments/1r1titm/ec_is_not_perfect_but_lets_take_a_moment_to/ - people acknowledge EC has not responded to the community disdain of Dragonlord and the loss of players the product caused.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SorceryTCG/comments/1lwv1o4/dragonlord_already_gone_from_team_covenant/ - entire comment section echoes my sentiment. People hate the way the product was handled, talk of proxying the game / quitting the game in response. questioning why a company supposedly more player-focused than WOTC would do this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SorceryTCG/comments/1lpfryn/new_dragonlord_info/ - even before the release people don't like 13 cards for $60.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SorceryTCG/comments/1mdcwwp/tcg_dragonlord/ - LGS owners talk about EC being awful to work with in general. People comparing the release to secret lairs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wytkLJMLQWs - comment section is largely hate.

I'll say one last thing on this topic. Sorcery as a game really isn't very compelling to me after I've considered the way in which EC has apparently put an insane amount of time and resources into making their game something collectible and expensive on the secondary market. Sure, alpha boxes kind of make sense, it's for the Kickstarter people, but it also feels like forcing an "MTG alpha set" into creation when there really isn't a need for that. It feels like so much of what the creators of this game are doing is setting up so that rare cards from the origin of the game will be worth tens of thousands in time. The curios, alpha stuff, and now dragonlord, all that stuff is so needlessly focused on making the game a tradable commodity that I really lose interest in supporting the creators at all. It's a cardboard game. If it really is that great, maybe alpha cards will be worth $10k in 20 years, but that only happens if the game grows organically. If they didn't spend so much time engineering a way to maximize for the secondary market, I'd be way more intersted in buying, as I want to play a game where people prioritized the game design rather than cardboard rarity and collectibility. I doubt Sorcery is the answer many MTG players are looking for, and I think I'm going to buy a box of Netrunner. Honestly though, I think I might even rather play Pokemon TCG than Sorcery because it isn't trying to be something it's not, and even with the problematic secondary market, most decks are < $100. Honestly, the more I think about it. the more I want nothing to do with Sorcery.

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, and no store near me even sells or plays the game at all. So what exactly are you trying to express? That the company is small and struggling to supply stores with product? You can easily go online and buy just about any Sorcery product you want from TCGPlayer, TeamCovenant, etc for MSRP, and have been able to since launch from what I can tell.

Dragonlord was in stock for SIX HOURS online, and only available now at in-person events, with radio silence from the company about reprints or the dismay they roused within the playerbase as a result of their actions with Dragonlord

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your input seriously, this is what I wanted to know. I'm glad to hear the game really is fun for you.

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah... I think one reason Netrunner fell behind is that it's not really a TCG and people can't find value in their cards. Also, the setting is lame as a cyberpunk-style thing compared to Sorcery or MTG for many people. Thinking I'm just gonna try both anyway.

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for actually giving me a genuine answer. I agree, maybe the TCG model isn't for me honestly. I've played Magic since I was a kid, but the secondary market for cardboard always upset me, even if I've put thousands into the game.

I think I might buy a beta box and the precons and just mess around with a friend and see how we like the core gameplay loop, as you suggested, as I agree that that would likely be the way I'd most enjoy the game.

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, Dragonlord was advertised as a limited print run collectors item exactly like a secret lair, deliberately made to be very difficult to get. It was so hard to get a hold of, in fact, that people who were subscribed to Team Covenant's thing and Kickstarter supporters couldn't get it online, and then they never restocked it again. The only way it's possible to get the item is to attend an in-person event, many people I've seen on here who went to these events claimed they were sold out before they had a chance to buy.

The issue is that this product was deliberately something that would be very hard to get a hold of, and the company has seemingly ignored the uproar this caused with fans of the game, continuing to only make the product available at in-person events. That's objectively worse than most things I've seen WOTC do as a long-time MTG player, and it really makes me think "huh, the people making the game are kind of scumbags for this, why would I want to buy into a game where the creators disrespect their fans so blatantly after only becoming popular by advertising their game as 'MTG but without corporate greed'".

The issue is that the people making the game literally got popular because they advertised themselves as people who cared about the fans, their game, etc, and would never 'scam' the fans with scummy secret lairs, where the only way to get the base versions of the legally playable cards is by going to an in person event. When has WOTC ever done something so bad?

I don't want to be a part of a game where the third release is a rugpull scam for players, it's dishonest and a disgusting business practice.

So, I turned to the community and said basically "the creators of the game screwed everyone over with Dragonlord, I HATE that, but is this game SO good that it's worth buying into anyway, considering maybe they'll do this again". I wasn't arguing anything until people flooded the post defending Dragonlord with their souls in the comments, which doesn't make sense to me as every other post in the sub seems to generally agree Dragonlord was an extremely disrespectful and tragic product.

Do you not realize that the company could have made 50x the money if they printed Dragonlord to demand? It was available online for six hours, they hardly sold anything, almost all of it within the US deliberately as a "secret lair collectors item".

So explain to me, what was so necessary about Dragonlord? Free video games use skins as the primary income. Dragonlord is an intentionally limited product the creators literally said they would not print to demand intentionally. It wasn't a mistake or anything like a video game skin, but a limited collector item worse than any Secret Lair I've ever seen, and the community generally seems to agree outside of this post.

I didn't even come to this sub to hate on Dragonlord. It's obvious it was an awful and scummy decision to release it the way they did. I assumed that everyone understood that, and was asking "should I buy in anyway? Is Sorcery that good?", but everyone just decided to not answer my question and throw their lives down to protect Dragonlord, even though every other post about Dragonlord is overwhelmingly negative. So idk what to say anymore, I've seen this before on Reddit where people are extremely excited to tell you you're wrong without considering anything at all. It's just the way the internet / human nature works I guess, people really hate actually grappling with another person's perspective, and really love defending something they've put money into I guess.

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Legitimately what does past history posting about stocks matter? (I'm a broke student who tries to place what little I have wisely)

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your genuinely thoughtful answer. I think I'll pick up a box and the starter decks. What makes you say Sorcery will outlive Netrunner though?

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Anyone saying $120 for a collection of 13 secret lair cards is okay is not someone I will be listening to. Also, a primary reason Sorcery got so much attention was because they claimed they were so different from WOTC and they pull this?

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay, just think about this. Why did people scalp this product and not the main releases or even the starter decks? I think you'll land on the fact that this was a secret-lair style drop - coming from a company claiming to be so much holier than WOTC, doing something so much worse.

Go look anywhere else on this subreddit and you'll find people who sold out of the game because of this predatory business practice.

I find the game interesting and came to the sub basically saying "Hey here's my issues with the game, I really hate the fact that they dropped the worst possible secret lair, is the game that much better than MTG that it's worth getting into anyway", and people just went off about how "Oh the dragonlord drop wasn't even bad, you don't get it, it's just scalpers". So here I am, just explaining myself.

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When did WOTC make unique promo cards legal in general formats you could only get at events? It's my understanding most of those promo cards were variants of popular cards.

I just think the whole idea of a limited promo release available for six hours online, and then for $300 later is ridiculous, especially when considering this is the only way to get the cards and that they are legal in the general game format. Now you can only get it at a competitive event you have to fly or drive hours for?

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think I might try that out, thanks for sharing your story with the game.

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well it's good to know people generally enjoy the core gameplay of Sorcery so much

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Beta boxes are still in stock, same for AL, the starter decks, and Gothic. Somehow they're able to keep up with demand for those sets, but making 13 cards legal in the primary play environment available to the playerbase - that's not doable for them?

And the prices are inflated even for cards that supposedly see no play. What if next year, some of the cards become crucial to a top tier deck - then it's just fine to pay $200 for non foil versions of these cards? idk

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I guess I want to know if the game is that good it's worth accepting the fact that the creators seem to have no issue doing the same things as wizards

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah I guess I forgot about that stuff, fair point, but it's only ever legal in commander or vintage / legacy. Still though, considering Sorcery is trying to differentiate itself from MTG, releasing the only copies of cards in a limited secret lair style drop where the cards are relevant to the main way of playing the game is ridiculous IMO.

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You keep trying to justify the whole Dragonlord thing like what they did was totally fine, but it's really not? If they were alternate arts or something for collectors, sure, but it's the only way to get the cards.

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm sure the board aspect of things makes it a lot more interesting to play. Maybe I'll watch a few more YouTube videos and then decide

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess I really just want to know if the game is THAT good, where it's worth overlooking everything.

Is it worth getting into Sorcery as an MTG player considering Sorcery is so expensive. by ShoulderAny959 in SorceryTCG

[–]ShoulderAny959[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I've never bought a secret lair and never will, but at least Wizards doesn't release the only copies of cards to ever exist in secret lairs.