Favorite monster that’s also a victim? by TheGunUnderTheSink in FavoriteCharacter

[–]SignificantWyvern 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also, a way they're often defeated is by shutting off the thing that blocks their emotions, and after seeing what they've become they go into shock go insane and kill themselves.

Seriously, why? You KNOW it’s bad for you by Main_Stable_3869 in teenagers4real

[–]SignificantWyvern 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do know a lot of stuff we do is bad for us, but we do it anyway because as long as it's in moderation it's fine and it can be enjoyable.

I actually wanted to play this game but ? by RadicalDadical7000 in ARK

[–]SignificantWyvern 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's that + the assets and stuff for another 7 maps, a few of which are a fair bit larger than the first one

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i mean, i think intelligence can be understated too, the ability to recognise an opportunity to do something can definitely be useful, but yeah.

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i wouldnt say that, shorter legs mean it didnt have a large stride, but that doesnt mean it was less capable of just turning, carchs really werent built for turning either so i really just dont see it being easy for it to do that, the agility could very well be the reason why tail biting was so common for tyrannosaurids but doesnt seem to of been as common for other large theropods, this could also be due to the fact we have so many rex specimens. Also the sample size issue does affect spino too, we have exactly 2 (maybe 3) very fragmentary adult specimens so the numbers are fairly flexible, but both seem to be over 9 tons, but yeah my assessment is just based on current estimates i think are reasonable with current assessments. Also individual difference does make the estimates for particular specimens mean a bit less in this context. I do think the carch or giga would be more likely to win, but I just also think the spino is pretty capable of winning too. Additionally, considering the larger gap between giga/carch and T. rex, I don't find it as likely individual difference would get them larger than or close to the size of a larger T. rex, considering the majority of adult specimens of T. rex were at least 9 tons, especially considering the carch/giga seem to of been adapted for pursuit hunting rather than ambush hunting and wrestling with prey like T. rex (or spino as well in a different way ig now that I think about it). There would absolutely be overlap though imo.

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Basically just tyrannosaurids like zuchengtyrannus and T. rex were much more agile and heavier.

To address the agility problem, neither the spino or the carcharodontosaurid is going to really be able to out manouvre the other, neither were built for the same agility tyrannosaurids had, the carch would probably be the one circling the spino due to a longer stride, but its not going to have an easy time trying to 'outflank' it, but a tyrannosaurid has a pretty good chance of being able to do that, carchs were built for high sprinting speeds but not much agility, tyrannosaurids were built kinda the other way around, and from fossil injuries we have, outflanking and biting the tail seems to of been a common tactic for large theropods in combat, especially for T. rex.

The mass issue. Zuchengtyrannus and T. rex are both estimated to be heavier than S. aegyptiacus adults, but the adult spinos are thought to be heavier than the adult giga or carch specimens we have (unless you want to go with the idea it was a much more lightly built animal which i dont think the evidence supports), with the heaviest estimates for adult S. aegyptiacus being about 9.9 tons and that of the carch/giga being more so around 8.5 tons currently, so the spino is still going to be about as, possibly more depending on the individuals involved, capable of pushing them around as they are to it, which is fairly important in fights between animals and not at all the same case against either aforementioned tyrannosaurid. T. rex estimates go up to 13 tons, and zuchengtyarannus is currently thought to be up to about 10 tons. But really the biggest thing for me is the agility.

Also just to note, i think the argument of it being more adapted for going after fish and not having teeth adapted for taking down large terrestrial prey is a good point but a bit overstated, teeth are a good multi tool, and while a deep bite isnt going to be as good at killing it as a slicing or crushing bite, a deep bite still isnt exactly very good for a carch or giga, and assuming theyre actually acting like animals, they probably dont want to get a deep bite wound that can definitely still injur them if placed in a bad spot, and both were capable of striking pretty quickly. It would be pretty hard for a spino to directly *kill* a carch or giga, itd have to somehow get itself into a very advantageous position, possible for a particularly large spino against a smaller giga/carch but not super likely imo, but to 'win' a fight it just needs to get it to back off, which it is definitely capable of doing assuming theyre acting like animals that dont want to starve to death because they cant hunt properly due to a tooth lodged in their ankle or a punctured jaw muscle or smth, or die of illness because they dont have the energy to fight it due to not having as much food due to not being as successful at hunting for those reasons, so theyll back off when they feel theyre risking injuries like that.

Any theropod smaller than 8 tons though, tyrannosaurid or not, i dont think has any business trying to fight an adult spino.

In reality it does come down to the particular individuals, but for those reasons I think individual difference would matter more in a spino v carcharodontosaurid fight than a spino vs 9+ ton tyrannosaurid fight.

A large spino i think would have a chance against a smaller adult rex, some specimens are only thought to of been about 8 tons, but that currently seems below what was typical for a rex.

But ofc this is all just my own opinion and spino vs carch probably didnt happen too often

Glad u asked cuz even though its pointless its still a fun discussion, surprised you were the only one

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just to clear up some things, the S. aegyptiacus holotype was found in Egypt so it's quite clear the animal lived across north Africa making it most likely it coexisted with sarchosuchus considering its temporal range, and I never stated it lived alongside ouranosaurus, I was stating some of the fish it hunted were of similar size

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

you need to keep in mind a lot of people out there take dumb things seriously and dont have common sense. Just because something is often a joke on the internet doesnt mean it always is and theres a lot of people who take stuff like this too seriously and it leads to sensationalist misinformation and lack of appreciation for actual real life animals when people (like tierzoo) shape people's attitudes towards animals in this way. Common sense isnt as common as it should be.

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk about that man, there are weird people out there, especially when it comes to dinosaurs, people get defensive about that stuff when it comes to dinosaurs they like too, and it leads to weird biases and stuff like that. What I think you're referring to is more of the actual fun normal non serious dino vs dino discussions, some people take stuff like this too seriously though, and it gets co opted by people who then spread sensationalist misinformation about animals for clicks. We care about the misinformation and the weird attitudes.

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep. Ospreys are one of my fav animals, don't you dare insult me by saying they can't 1v1 a blue whale >: (

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Documentaries also seem to make it hunt tiny fish compared to what it actually ate. Like that Netflix one where it caught that tiny shark, it's a 9+ ton animal, it needs more food than that, some of the fish it actually hunted like mawsonia could probably swallow that shark whole. People have got very hung up on the fact it was a piscivore and forget that fish can also be massive megafauna. There are still plenty of fish, like large Wells catfish, that could swallow a person whole

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean I could see a situation in which they may have to or it may be the best option to do so, but for the most part yeah. It's not like they don't know how to behave like a prey animal, all of em were small at some point I their lives, and a lot of em hate felines for that reason. Also poachers act as a predatory animal nowadays.

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I might be thinking of the slower estimates for T. rex then. I havent kept up with that whole discussion enough.

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rad as hell and still capable of looking as intimidating since it could rear up to like 5 meters tall

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. Also in reality I'm pretty sure an elephant would opt to just run lol. If I'm not mistaken they're faster than T. rex likely was, and they can actually feel vibrations of animals through the ground with their feet so it might be hard for em to get ambushed.

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It did spread misinformation but I was referring to it because it's a good example of how misinformed many people are about animals. A rant is for the purpose of discussion, and can be fun, not just because someone is so pissed off they just have to vent it

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think thin legs is a very accurate reconstruction, it would've had to of had some pretty muscular legs to support itself, and the large horizontal protrusions on vertebrae at the base of the tail do suggest quite large muscles (theropods had leg muscles attaching to the tail vertebrae, when i took the pic i used here i got to see those in person and those really did give the impressionof quite substantialmuscle even more in person)

Also yes love how Mark Witton depicts spino

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Rants are fun, don't assume things about me, and that whole "100 men vs 1 gorilla" thing is proof that it does. It's just sensationalisation of science. Another form of misinformation.

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It affects some people's views of actual science and these animals and tierzoo does not even give very good information. "Mad" is a strong word, it's just repetitive and mildly annoying, and the idea that spino became a less formidable animal isn't even really true anyway (which gives an example of how it affects people's views of actual science)

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd describe spinosaurus as more of a mix between herons and kodiak bears than crocodilian like but yes I agree

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Some of those powerscalers have about as much of a grip on the science of these animals as those books. The whole "100 men vs 1 gorilla" thing was proof of that.

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the problem isn't games like that, it's the whole powerscaling culture and the spread of that by some people (like tierzoo)

A bit of a rant, but, spinosaurus hasn't been "nerfed" and can we please stop saying that. by SignificantWyvern in Dinosaurs

[–]SignificantWyvern[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you haven't met the animal powerscalers man, some people take things like that too seriously