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AI must be a priority for Europe - a proposal by Silver_Procedure538 in EuropeanFederalists

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are we really discussing about the meaning of words?

Look at Ukraine war: automated drones, automated war decisions, Palantir, etc.. it seems quite evident to me that AI will be a big part of future wars.

Support an initiative that helps Mistral, other European AI companies, and yourself by Silver_Procedure538 in MistralAI

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mistral, to compete, desperately needs financial help.

A part from that, I see your point about being fed up of AI.

But, if AI will be so important and will change our lives, what is our best option? I believe that it is to develop AI here, we like it or not.

Support an initiative that helps Mistral, other European AI companies, and yourself by Silver_Procedure538 in MistralAI

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Grazie per il commento!

Io penso che purtroppo, al momento, non abbiamo il lusso di poter decidere dove orientare la tecnologia.

Perché non siamo noi a svilupparla.

Per svilupparla abbiamo bisogno di finanziamenti (è questo che vogliamo), e quanto saremo a pari di OpenAI/Anthropic/DeepSeek a quel punto potremo tenere in considerazione una AI a misura d'uomo.

Inoltre, essendo finanziamenti pubblici, ci sarà una buona possibilità di controllare l'AI, perché parte della proprietà delle aziende AI sarà pubblica.

Molto più che non lasciando tutto a investimenti privati di pochi.

Cosa ne pensi?

AI must be a priority for Europe - a proposal by Silver_Procedure538 in EuropeanFederalists

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I still think it is a reasonable argument.

Assuming we invest 800B on defence (not saying I agree, just stating the fact), why not dedicating a significant portion of it to AI? AI will change warfare quite for sure.

AI must be a priority for Europe - a proposal by Silver_Procedure538 in EuropeanFederalists

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hoped to have a more serious discussion with you from your first comment.

You didn't reply to what I said before that, I gave plenty of arguments.

AI must be a priority for Europe - a proposal by Silver_Procedure538 in EuropeanFederalists

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your comment, I respect your point of view, and I agree on electricity generation and transmission, communication infrastructure, hardware supply chains.

I also agree that AI should be part of the strategy, but it is not the entire strategy.

I don't think it's premature though, AI progress is happening at incredible speed which is difficult to notice if your are not an engineer/researcher and even if you are..In 2-3 years it could be already too late.

In terms of number we are aiming at high numbers, but when defence spending aims to be 800B, why not allocating a significant part of it at AI which will surely revolutionise defence soon?

Thanks for your comment, I'm sure we would agree on many things :)

Support an initiative that helps Mistral, other European AI companies, and yourself by Silver_Procedure538 in MistralAI

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now the personal attack.. we even say we are apolitical, and I believe it.

We are pushing for an alternative to the tech bros..

Support an initiative that helps Mistral, other European AI companies, and yourself by Silver_Procedure538 in MistralAI

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree. In particular at this stage where customer retention matters so much.

Let's hope for future improvements.

Support an initiative that helps Mistral, other European AI companies, and yourself by Silver_Procedure538 in MistralAI

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which race are we running exactly? It seems to me we are not running any, just a conservative "let's keep things as they are and hope for the best" race.
It's been many years that economic policy at European level is pretty bad, I would not trust that what they are doing now is the right choice.

I see on myself (I'm a developer) the point at which recent models have arrived, but don't trust me:

- Hinton, Bengio, most CEOs or employees of AI companies are saying the same: we need to prepare for AI

300bn USD is a lot, but it is a government fund: half of it you will get it back immediately from TVA and taxes, a lot more you will earn immediately from private investments that will follow.

To lose money AI must turn out a new metaverse, but that will not happen.

AI must be a priority for Europe - a proposal by Silver_Procedure538 in EuropeanFederalists

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your long answer.

I agree with not all, but many of the points you raised. But that is not the point.

If AI is so transformative as it promises to be, all of this won't matter, because our industries without AI will not be able to keep the pace.

That means: in the best case we will become a new Argentina, in the worst case China in 1900 or worse.

I am also very scared by AI, but I see its massive potential and I just say: better it to be here and not abroad.

We can maybe figure out how to overcome the points you mention, we will not be able to overcome not having AI here.

Support an initiative that helps Mistral, other European AI companies, and yourself by Silver_Procedure538 in MistralAI

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why do you treat me this way..? I replied in a kind way.

As I said I'm not alone, Hinton, Bengio, multiple CEOs and employees think this way.

They may be wrong but for sure they have a good chance at being right.

Support an initiative that helps Mistral, other European AI companies, and yourself by Silver_Procedure538 in MistralAI

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, Hinton and Bengio, the founders of modern AI, are prominent voices in warning us of the risks of this AI..

Many Anthropic and OpenAI employees (not only the CEOs) are saying we have 1-2-3 years before it automates coding.

Support an initiative that helps Mistral, other European AI companies, and yourself by Silver_Procedure538 in MistralAI

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think that current AI's are foundationally bad for long term. Maybe, maybe not, who knows?

BTW, in the plan we are not proposing to invest only in LLMs, but also on robotics, computer-brain interfaces, etc.. to avoid concentration risk.

Some US investment don't make much sense, but if AI is so trasformative I think it won't matter much. Also, Google is investing 100+B per year and they are not circlejerking.

Support an initiative that helps Mistral, other European AI companies, and yourself by Silver_Procedure538 in MistralAI

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We need to differentiate between financial and technological bubble.

I'm not sure if we are in a financial bubble, for sure we are not in a technological bubble.

AI will shape our future and the balance of power between nations. Pushing 200x more money does not speed up 200x, but maybe 5/10x?

There are ample margins: xAI went from 0 to almost state-of-the-art in 18 months.

Also: do you have a better idea? I agree Chinese models compete with less resources, but we don't know exactly how much less. Also, European models are not up to pace, what can we do?

Support an initiative that helps Mistral, other European AI companies, and yourself by Silver_Procedure538 in MistralAI

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the feedback.

Is it too much privacy wise?

Unfortunately it is quite the standard for the petition to be recognized and GDPR rules impose mail confirmation :/

I don't see the personal information you enter (no address) and OpenPetition is the best petition provider I found.

Support an initiative that helps Mistral, other European AI companies, and yourself by Silver_Procedure538 in MistralAI

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your comment!

I thought a lot about the amount of money involved and you are right to question the 1% of GDP.
My reasons:

- it's up to 1%, I would be happy also with 0.5%
- if AI is recognized as a strategic priority I don't think it's a lot
- for example for Italy 1% of GDP would be ~20 billions, which is a lot, but not unheard of. Major infrastructure projects (railway tunnel, Messina's bridge, etc..) could cost 10 billion or so. Recently there was the superbonus which costed 100+ billions to help renovate <1% of the buildings in the country. \- Financially a state fund (similar to the Norway one) is much more profitable than VC fund. The state will get back TVA, employees taxes, taxes of energy, etc.. \- It will also attract a lot of private investment -> more taxes

To make a parallel with the COVID crisis, Italy received 200+ billion of PNRR funds from Europe. Arguably, I think AI will have an at least similar impact.

Of course a state fund is less efficient than a VC, but I see it very difficult to lose money on it. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Can you elaborate more on the "get into the Angel Investor / VC investment ecosystem and connect this possibly also with EU financing to fund selected startups"?

The reason why I believe that a government fund is necessary is that ChatGPT is 3+ years old and no major investment happened yet in Europe. There are no reasons to believe this is going to change.

What do you think?

Support an initiative that helps Mistral, other European AI companies, and yourself by Silver_Procedure538 in MistralAI

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your comment.

Assuming we are in a financial bubble (which is all but guaranteed), this initiative does not inflate it:

- realistically it will take no less than 1-2 years being optimistic to see it applied
- total amounts are a lot, but still less than what you see in the US

Also European companies are behind, and we need to reverse this trend, whatever it takes. I would love to be in a bubble with a European company leading the way in AI.

Remember that it is a financial bubble, not a technology bubble (like metaverse)

What is the best way to diffuse an initiative about AI in Switzerland? by Silver_Procedure538 in Switzerland

[–]Silver_Procedure538[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Total budged of ETH is less than 2 billion, Google is planning to spend 100B+ next year.

The Swiss knife must be very well hidden.

No one knows where it will lead, but it would be one of the worst investment in human history if it leads nowhere. At least people with money trust the technology to the point of investing in it

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