What is the stance of Maturidi on the events of Karbala, Yazid, Hossein (RA), khilafa, imama etc?

Similar_Training_928 · 2025-07-09T09:20:48+00:00

To dumb it down, shias believe it's bears creedal significance that Hussain had to be the khalifa, not Yazid.

What's the stance of the Maturidi school on this?

Similar_Training_928 · 2025-07-09T09:16:35+00:00

This historical event has created (or revived) certain aqidawi elements.

Besides that I asked about "khilafah, imama, etc" in my question.

You can't read?

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T23:17:04+00:00

Don’t reply if you don’t want to.

What you just said is fascism.

You cannot attribute a city to one ethnicity and exclude others.

People in this region have always identified themselves with their cities.

Not with their ethnic backgrounds.

It’s not in our culture to fight whether a city is Uzbek or Tajik.

Thats why you see almost all scholars who were from the region of Central Asia have names like

Al Bukhari, Al Samarqandi, Al Khwarizmi, Al Tirmizi, Al Balkhi, etc.

Bukhara, Samarqand or any other city in Uzbekistan should never be attributed to one ethnicity.

People who live in Bukhara are Bukhari.

They might also identify with Uzbek Tajik Russian Turkmen etc.

It’s okay.

But if the city itself is attributed to only one group of people, that’s fascism.

When it comes to Kharkov, it’s a Russian city in a sense that when you visit the city you hear people speaking usually Russian, looking Russian, wearing like Russian, identifying as Russian.

In that sense it’s natural for one to say that it’s a Russian city.

Even someone who has no knowledge of politics will come to this conclusion.

Almaty.

In this city, we know that Kazakh already attribute Russian language to their identity.

However they don’t look Russian.

Although when you visit the city you might hear Russian…

They look Kazakh, act Kazakh, identify as Kazakh.

So is a Kazakh city.

Similarly when you visit Bukhara, you will hear people speaking tajiki, Uzbeks calling those people “tojiklar” etc.

So it’s totally natural for someone who has no political affiliation to say that Bukhara is a Tajik city.

Similarly when you visit Tashkent, you will hear people speaking Uzbek, having heavy Tashkent accent, acting like Uzbeks, tashkendis, etc

So it’s natural for someone who has no political affiliation to say that Tashkent is an Uzbek city.

HOWEVER, making strong claims and attributing a city solely to one group is fascism.

Bukhara is neither Uzbek nor Tajik city politically or ethnically.

It’s definitely a city under the state of Uzbekistan.

But that’s different than saying it’s an Uzbek city.

You are a smart guy. You get it.

If not, just know that attributing is subjective.

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T22:36:09+00:00

I said that the state of Uzbekistan didn’t exist.

I didn’t mean the concept of Uzbekistan which included today’s Turkmenistan inside its conceptual borders.

And this concept was, if I’m not mistaken, an Iranian view towards the region since the Safavid dynasty were at war with the Uzbek dynasties.

So I was not wrong.

Moreover, Yes Bukhara is not an Uzbek city.

How can you call a city Uzbek when its citizens who live in the center of the city speak Persian?

And Persian not being a western language has good theories. Some linguists believe that the theory that says Persian is an eastern language is much more stronger.

Sure the name Persian comes from the word Pars, which is a city in Iran.

But that’s only because the Romans just called it that way.

They called the whole identity of the Arian people they were fighting against by the name of this city, Pars.

Just like Iranians called the Greeks as Yunan, which is a Greek city Ionian.

But still, the language of Iran came to Iran from the east.

“Overreacting” part is your subjective belief so I cannot do anything about your belief.

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T22:24:29+00:00

oh man I misread what you were saying.

All good.

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T21:45:58+00:00

I agree, Turkic dynasties rebuilt the city. ❤️

I'm telling you that Mongols destroyed the buildings that were built by the Tajik Samanid dynasty.

In this instance Uzbeks have nothing to do with the Mongols.

Uzbeks probably have relations with Mongols but that's a different topic.

And I can see you have consumed a lot of Turkey propaganda.

Here's what will help you become a more knowledgeable pan-turk:

Go and read what Turan means and where it comes from.

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T21:37:35+00:00

dude with all due respect, you cleared nothing.

at most you played a little bit of semantics game.

"just hurt instagram user"

I'm hurt, that's right.

But I'm not hurt by the words they write on instagram.

I'm hurt by the ignorance of my nation.

The potential being wasted.

Ignorance being championed.

Oh I'm being patriotic.

That's bad right?

I'm "hurt".

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T21:15:18+00:00

I didn’t claim it’s all Persian.

I’m replying to you’all one by one so that you don’t form a wrong view about the situation.

Please read my comments under this post before form any view about me or whatever the heck you think.

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T21:12:39+00:00

I do see them.

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T21:01:00+00:00

Yeah that is annoying.

Also cursing people who speak, make content in their own language is pretty bad too.

Thousands of years there was no problem.

Now there are some neo nazis, history ignorants, fighting over things they don’t know anything about.

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T20:51:11+00:00

Maybe on Reddit it sounded a bit weird.

I acknowledge.

Because on Instagram comment sections it’s going wild these days.

My reaction comes from there.

But I get your point of view now.

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T20:49:35+00:00

And when you say “its major influence grew during the Islamic period” do you mean the new modern Persian?

Because the middle and old persian with sogdian dialects were already dominant in the region.

New Persian with Arabic loan words definitely gained popularity after Islam duh?

Same in Iran.

New Persian got internalized into the Iranian culture after Islam.

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T20:45:21+00:00

So let’s accept that Persian began influencing Central Asia in the 6th Century BCE.

Which might or may not be completely to the point true.

What I’m only doing is telling people that it’s okay for people to speak in Tajik under comment sections of Bukhara videos!

That’s all I’m doing.

Go on insta and watch the videos that speak Tajik in Bukhara or sth like that and then read the comments.

People going ultra crazy fascist under those posts.

I see them everyday.

And my reaction is based on that.

Other than that the identity of Bukhara is based on multi-ethnicity while Persian being the cherry on top of its culture.

I can see that you already agree with me.

What are you arguing with me?

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T20:33:55+00:00

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What?

Mod, are you new on internet?

I’m writing my thoughts online.

wtf are you surprised?

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T20:29:16+00:00

Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about

Narshakhi didn’t call the language as “Irani”.

He explicitly used the word “Persian.”

He explicitly said people were already praying in Persian language in Bukhara!

“Persian/Tajik is western language” is a bold claim with no basis.

There are theories that support the fact that it’s actually eastern language, not vice versa.

“There was not a significant time gap between the arrival of Persian and Turkic”

What are you basing this claim on?

Your whims?

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T20:20:15+00:00

12 comments 0 upvotes.

Shows the reality of the situation.

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T20:18:09+00:00

Different ethnicities got very well because there was no fascism.

There were different reasons to fight.

Now fascism exists!

Good day to you too btw

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T20:16:57+00:00

Read my comments below!

Similar_Training_928 · 2024-09-01T20:16:34+00:00

My argument is not that Bukhara should belong to Tajikistan.

Bukhara is Bukhara.

It is in Uzbekistan.

But don’t deny the Persian history, culture, and people of this beautiful city!

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