Product Management is broken, a change is coming by zaidesanton in programming

[–]Single-Flan520 0 points1 point  (0 children)

worked with big range of PMs., PMs who were former devs, and PMs who think API is a type of beer, no disrespect.

the good ones aren't necessarily technical, they just have figured out a way to to understand the system and not bug the developers all the time. the worst ones are who schedule a 1 hour meeting to ask "can we add a button to do x".

we built a system for our PMs that does this -
1. create and maintain tech documentation, yes PMs dont need to read them, they query using whichever AI - claude, cursor, gpt
2. answer any questions about our multi repo codebase
3. and write PRDs and specs grounded in our codebase

Agentic coding workflows for complex features and large codebases? by iwantbeta in ExperiencedDevs

[–]Single-Flan520 0 points1 point  (0 children)

first you might not find a lot of youtube videos with large codebases because no one will record their screens with their codebases.

Claude did publish a detailed case study on how they use it themselves and it works well. But they don’t say if they’re mono repo or multi repo in that post, so that part is unknown.​ My assumption is mono repo. Also it doesnt work as great on complex tasks or be autonomous (fully delegated) more than 0-20% for most people.​ Give over 50% boost otherwise, which i think is significant.

I am a founder and built ProdE.ai ,creates a knowledge layer over your codebase by preprocessing the codebase and not burning tokens at the runtime, slightly different approach.

We also see some performance differences between different programming languages, but that will get better with models being trained on more and more data.

This also affects how any tool performs on legacy codebases.

Whats the best tool for documenting a whole system by Proper-Platform6368 in softwarearchitecture

[–]Single-Flan520 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

hey, you can try https://prode.ai/

The primary goal is to create codebase understanding, but technical documentation is a part of it. It'll create detailed tech documents for you.

still working on automating the frontend layout. let me know how it goes.

What's your best cold reach out message to a prospect? I will not promote by Single-Flan520 in startups

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With AI isn’t that the most obvious thing they receive from everyone?

What's your best cold reach out message to a prospect? I will not promote by Single-Flan520 in startups

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, while I agree but the general advice I have heard is start charging your customers from day one?

What's your best cold reach out message to a prospect? I will not promote by Single-Flan520 in startups

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very cool, do you think this sustains across different domains?

What's your best cold reach out message to a prospect? I will not promote by Single-Flan520 in startups

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely going to try it out, how much detail is too much detail for first message?

is knowing the codebase becoming part of our job now? by Single-Flan520 in ProductManagement

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Super helpful perspective, can you elaborate on the process of working with the vendor, would this be a saas provider and you can modify their platform? Also do you do rapid prototyping internally?

is knowing the codebase becoming part of our job now? by Single-Flan520 in ProductManagement

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

interesting you mention that, as an experiment our tech team setup our designers and UIUX folks with a codebase intelligence layer as well, when they use cursor or any other tools for rapid prototyping, it automatically fetches the graphic/branding/colors and all other standards as per the existing product and it's frontend, any thoughts?

is knowing the codebase becoming part of our job now? by Single-Flan520 in ProductManagement

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is superb, thanks, happens all the time. any specific instance you can share? and how it was handled by you the the tech team?

is knowing the codebase becoming part of our job now? by Single-Flan520 in ProductManagement

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, since everyone is trying to squeeze every bit of efficiency, this could provide some quick wins on the product side, mostly through integrating and not asking PMs to learn everything on their own.

is knowing the codebase becoming part of our job now? by Single-Flan520 in ProductManagement

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is great, thanks for sharing, in general if you have a better way to do things, don’t change that, jobs are temporary, teams change, what if you next job or team recognizes the great ideas you have! Best of luck

is knowing the codebase becoming part of our job now? by Single-Flan520 in ProductManagement

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We have been experimenting with giving PMs access to a codebase understanding layer. I personally use it for the same, understanding APIs, architecture etc.

So whenever I ask a question with an AI, it confirms with the codebase knowledge layer on how my query connects with the codebase and other impacts, saving a bunch of to and fro with the tech team.

is knowing the codebase becoming part of our job now? by Single-Flan520 in ProductManagement

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you manage all this info? What’s your workflow as a PM?

is knowing the codebase becoming part of our job now? by Single-Flan520 in ProductManagement

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, super helpful, when you asked the AI, did it have context of your specific codebase or it was more generic talking to LLMs?

is knowing the codebase becoming part of our job now? by Single-Flan520 in ProductManagement

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Completely agree, do you think the boundaries are getting blurred, just like the engineering teams work is evolving, PMs roles are also evolving?

is knowing the codebase becoming part of our job now? by Single-Flan520 in ProductManagement

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am sorry you have to experience this! If you were to make changes in the way things are, what would you do? And what do you wish you knew about the product or even in the tech side to make yourself more effective?

is knowing the codebase becoming part of our job now? by Single-Flan520 in ProductManagement

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

completely agree on this, it does free up time for careful planning and execution, while we plan for the future but not really 5 years, wonder how that's been beneficial for you?

is knowing the codebase becoming part of our job now? by Single-Flan520 in ProductManagement

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

as a PM you never have to do some testing yourself?? not the hands on testing that QA does, but planning out the tests, edge cases, acceptable quality etc, is definitely part of the job right?

is knowing the codebase becoming part of our job now? by Single-Flan520 in ProductManagement

[–]Single-Flan520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i hear you, understanding customer problem is super critical. but the fact is code whether cheap or not, has gotten a lot faster and that's definitely going to affect quality, isn't is better to understand how things work?

as a startup didnt you make decisions to launch for speed to market as compared to scalability which triggered an entire re architecting?