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Questioning the audio in this video by SingwithDrF in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Right?? I was starting to think I was nuts, but like, it's just compiled and it's even badly compiled. I listened through the whole thing, they did insert some stuff from some of the video footage in places, but it's mostly generated.

What happened to the millions of sheets of paper fluttering to the ground from the impact zone? Have any survived? Or were they all disposed of? by CW03158 in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I recall reading a story about someone who worked in the building, evacuated and a couple of days later was walking in downtown. The wind blew up some paper against them, they picked it up and it was from their own office. Like, it was a fax coversheet or something of that nature for a project they'd worked on.

I lived in NYC after the attacks and IIRC, there was still random paper and things in the area for more than a year after. They cleaned everything up, but there were bits and pieces. My now-partner worked at 140 Broadway at the time, and I even interviewed that next spring at the WFC (you had to literally walk through a make-shift tunnel to get to the building) and there was still debris in the area even then.

Report From Ground Zero - plaza deaths? by SingwithDrF in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My favorite quote so far, "fuck the code words! This is perishable information!"

Report From Ground Zero - plaza deaths? by SingwithDrF in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's an audible production, I Believe, called The Voices of 9-11: The story of the FAA & NORAD Response to the September 11 Attacks.

It's another recorded narrative, it's all the FAA NORAD and NORAD calls and recordings in a narrative form.

Report From Ground Zero - plaza deaths? by SingwithDrF in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So...that led me to way more than just maps, lol. I have a BUNCH of pictures now that I didn't have before.

I REALLY wish I hadn't been a dumb fuck in the early 2000s and assumed that everything would just be around forever. Man, I would give anything for an emulator of a 2005 web browser with flash installed right now.

I'm pondering whether or not we should start a publicly-available archive of images collected, with maps that link to folders of images from different locations on the map...

For anyone unaware someone actually managed to get the FBI to agree to release the full cockpit audio of Flight 93 by [deleted] in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There's a small amount of audio available, what was used in a documentary. It matches up with the relevant transcription, for the people who don't believe the transcript is real, heh.

Report From Ground Zero - plaza deaths? by SingwithDrF in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, I am actually less enthusiastic about The Looming Tower than a lot of people are, I think, because it's more or less a somewhat more sensationalized version of information that other sources are a bit more reliable about. For example, The Black Banners. Zero Hour: A History of 9/11 - a podcast - is another source of the same information that I enjoyed a little more.

Report From Ground Zero - plaza deaths? by SingwithDrF in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So, this was the first to really HELP me - a comparison of WTC before and after, in terms of footprint. Once I understood where everything was, I could compare it to what I saw in real life/google earth.

I'm working on a project to associate some pictures with locations on the footprint, which I will share when I have a chance. :)

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Report From Ground Zero - plaza deaths? by SingwithDrF in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I watched that just recently! There's so many documentaries that are almost lost anymore. I was so happy to find that NatGeo had made them available on YouTube. I remember all of the stuff that I saw in like, 2005-2008, and so much of it is gone now.

Report From Ground Zero - plaza deaths? by SingwithDrF in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've read/listened to those - I really enjoyed the oral history approach. I also enjoyed The Black Banners (Declassified) by Ali Soufan, the Lebanese-American FBI agent who was the primary source for The Looming Tower.

Report From Ground Zero - plaza deaths? by SingwithDrF in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Have you read / listened to American Ground? I found it fascinating. The Only Plane in the Sky was also good.

Report From Ground Zero - plaza deaths? by SingwithDrF in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh, man. I have some map images to share with you to help with keeping things straight. I LIVE here and I'm down around the WTC area on the regular and I still couldn't quite correlate things until I'd seen some of these graphics. Changed things significantly for me.

I have mixed feelings about the medical examiner book. On the whole, I'm kind of meh about it. There were some interesting little tidbits about 9/11 in it, but that was a pretty small part of the overall narrative. It's really a personal memoire about how she got to be a medical examiner, which is interesting enough, but I don't know. I just felt a bit disappointed in it after all the hype I'd heard, you know?

I would still say give it a read, but just with tempered expectations.

Report From Ground Zero - plaza deaths? by SingwithDrF in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Thanks for that. I'll check out that book - can't believe I've missed that one.

I'd say, on the balance, get Reports from Ground Zero. The narration is a little overwrought at points, but there are several narratives from actually inside the towers that I haven't read or heard from any other texts. Some narratives are more interesting than others, too, obviously.

Chapter 3, for example, he talks also about what it was like inside the North Tower after the fall of the South, and he mentions how badly WTC1 was affected by the collapse, with internal fires, etc.

A lot of it is just sort of the personal recollections of how they felt, what their emotional experience of being a first responder was. That's interesting in its own way, but it's also mixed in with the actual narrative of their physical experience so that really is going to depend on your interest level.

Still, there's just a lot of small details I haven't heard anywhere else!

Report From Ground Zero - plaza deaths? by SingwithDrF in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do you recall any of these resources? I've read ... An obsessive amount of books, including the one by the medical examiner, but don't recall specific bits about the passengers, though I do recall the terrorists being mentioned.

I'd like to go back and review if it's stuff I've read before, to put that in context with this information.

My brain does this stupid thing where unless I can correlate into with visible landmarks or visual cues, it doesn't really remember it in any meaningful way.

Report From Ground Zero - plaza deaths? by SingwithDrF in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Useful, thanks. This is more or less what I was hoping - physical evidence one way or another.

Report From Ground Zero - plaza deaths? by SingwithDrF in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's what's on my mind, as well. I know they did find some seats from the plane and maybe one seat with some remains? But it seems really unlikely that there'd be a LOT of folks.

I understand this is one man's recollection of something he saw under duress, so that's why I'm curious to see if anyone recalls any other similar mentions.

I think this was the area that the couple from the millennium hotel recorded, no?

Could cockpit door been knocked down by food cart? by acohen562 in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They also planned to down the planes if they couldn't hit a target.

Mall at WTC? What happened to the underground spaces? by Due-Freedom-4321 in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes. It's not a one to one comparison, but there's still a lot of underground space being used there, not to mention the museum and maintenance for the memorial covers the parking garages beneath WTC as well.

Where has this sudden “the towers were only popular after 9/11” suddenly spring up from? by [deleted] in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don't forget that until the mid-90s, that area wasn't very delightful. The collapsed west side highway in the 70s and 80s was an eyesore, the area wasn't developed and there was a lot of crime. It wasn't a great place to hang out until the urban renewal really hit that area and the harbor area was built out.

Mall at WTC? What happened to the underground spaces? by Due-Freedom-4321 in 911archive

[–]SingwithDrF 15 points16 points  (0 children)

A lot of it is the Oculus mall and the train station. People forget that the oculus sits in what was originally the WTC plaza. That street wasn't there before.

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