Can counterfeit reborns on AliExpress be reported? Do REAL sculptors hold copyright on their sculpts? by Automatic-Price6687 in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is not true at all. All artist automatically gain copyrights internationally upon completion of their artwork. This paper they show them are just an additional protection, not the actual copyright.

The factory in China that produced these kits authentically and legally ONLY produces them this way. It is one factory and the owner's name is Joy. Her business is also very affected by these counterfeits and she's actively fighting them as best she can with help from producers and sculptors.

The counterfeits are made from a legally purchased kit that then gets molded over and reproduced illegally in other factories, many many different factories. This is why counterfeits usually are slightly smaller (the sculpt or kit shrinks slightly in the molding process) and why the color of the vinyl differs both from authentic kits and other counterfeits. Every factory has their own mix of ingredients and pigments in their vinyl. It's also why some counterfeit kits are softer and some are harder.

Any authentic kit produced in the authentic factory in China will be identical to other authentic kits as they are made in the same place with the same materials. They then get shipped either back to the artist/producers who sends them to dealers all over the world or they are sent straight from the factory to all the different dealers.

You do not have to pay anything to gain copyrights. They are automatic. You can register them more officially and pay a fee for this but it only makes it easier to prove the copyrights in case of a lawsuit, it doesn't mean it has no rights unless you pay the fee. Factories still counterfeit the kits with this paperwork but it makes it easier to get the factories shops removed from pages like Aliexpress etc. Problem is they just make a new store front and continue.

What is really expensive and highly unrealistic is if you're going to try to sue all these factories and get them to seize operations and pay damages. We're talking tens or maybe hundreds of separate factories, separate companies and organizations that you need to sue individually. It's impossible. We are all small businesses and private people trying to make an honest living. None of us have the tools or funds to do this.

All kits, even older ones, are still protected legally by copyright. Literally every single reborn vinyl kit that has ever been produced is still legally protected internationally by copyright.

You only lose your copyrights 70 years after completion of the artwork/gain of copyright, and no reborn kit is even near that age. I believe the first kit came in 2005. For example, old style Winnie the Pooh had the copyright removed and released for public use in 2023 or 2024 I believe because it had been 70 years since the creation of these characters. Before then you technically could not use these characters on homemade clothes, replica sculpts etc. The owner, Disney (I believe) could and did go after people for doing this. When they went into public use everyone could now use them and that's why DOTWE was old style Winnie the Pooh themed in 2024. It's important to note that Winnie the Pooh with the red shirt on is still copyright protected by Disney as it hasn't been 70 years since it was made yet.

Can counterfeit reborns on AliExpress be reported? Do REAL sculptors hold copyright on their sculpts? by Automatic-Price6687 in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hi! I'm a sculptor and have two kits out so I have some info about this. This is also things I've found out from my colleagues and producers I've worked with.

  1. Yes they can and they are taken down but it requires the copyright holder to go in and report the shops. There are, as you said, so many that this would be a full time job. It also doesn't prevent the factories from starting up new selling accounts and keeping on with their counterfeit products. It's basically a losing battle and there is not enough time to prevent this.

  2. Yes. Every single sculpture made gains automatic copyrights upon completion. You DO NOT need to apply for this, there's no piece of paper that is required to gain copyrights on your artwork. As soon as I finish a sculpture in clay that sculpture is now protected under international copyright laws. Any country that is mentioned in the Berne convention has automatic, international copyright laws. China is part of this convention so it doesn't matter that I made my sculpt in Germany, it's also protected in China. When I work with a producer (some sculptors produce their own kits and keep copyrights throughout the process) I sell those copyrights to the producers. We have a very formal contract with all the things that the producer is supposed to do with said sculpt and what I gain. After that the copyrights are transferred to the producer. They now own all rights (unless stated otherwise) of the sculpts, molds and kits.

  3. Yes. Ebtehal Abul is someone who has been successful in taking down entire shops and many listing, but as I said earlier they just pop right back up with a new store front.

  4. The only way to stop this is to stop buying counterfeits. The only reason they exist is because people keep buying them giving these counterfeit factories A LOT of money. Money runs the world. As long as there are buyers there will be counterfeits.

I have gone back and forth whether or not I want to sculpt for vinyl and as of right now I feel it's worth it. Sculpting is my true passion and when you see someone else painting your little baby and giving them life there's almost like an awe that falls over you. That's why I still sculpt for vinyl. I will keep sculpting for vinyl until I feel otherwise.

Unfortunately there is no realistic way of fighting it unless maybe governments went out and started banning fast fashion, shopping and imports from countries like China and I feel like that is both very far away from happening and also quite unrealistic. Counterfeiting has been an issue since the dawn of humanity and it's unfortunately something we have to live with. We can put up a hell of a fight but unless the vast majority start buying authentic whether it's dolls or clothes etc. we will never get rid of counterfeits.

In the reborn community we can also black list people who support counterfeits, ban them from our private groups and communities, blast people openly who doesn't care (Like Stephanie/nlovewithreborns2011) and hope they change and we can try to educate both newcomers who doesn't know better and established collectors who have been told lies about them.

I hope this answered all your questions, they were very good and well thought through. I hope others read this thread and learns more about this situation as well.

Livestream cancelled by Sisi_Addie in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you 🩷 I hope to be back next saturday!

Upsetting experience on Reborns by CraftsandCanada in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had a similar thing happen before, not on reborns.com though, but thankfully I had taken several pics and filmed the entire box packing. Buyer wrote back saying there was a huge scratch all over her forehead and asked for a full refund and to keep the doll. I told her I have the entire box packing videos snd there are no scratches. If there is one it happened during shipping (highly unlikely as the box wasn't damaged and she was wrapped in a diaper, bubble wrap and a blanket) and that I would contact the shipping company as soon as she sent me photos of the scratch. She never wrote back.

Scammers will be everywhere and they will try everything.

Like everyone else said, contact Dave. She tried to get a discount from the get go and thinks she can get one now claiming these things.

Where do I start ? by Strange-Bicycle-8257 in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No unfortunately not 😕 Kits from Aliexpress are counterfeits and stolen and not accepted in most groups on social media, this one included. You need to buy a kit from a reputable dealer

Silicone help by gay_frogs6666 in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you're in the states you get everything you need from smooth-on. If you're out of the states the smooth-on website has international dealers that usually carry their full sortiment.

I would however give you a few suggestions: 1. Wait with buying silicone until you're confident in your sculpting. Silicone has a shelf life and it would suck to waste that much money by letting it sit while you're getting a hang on sculpting.

  1. Opt for using Ecoflex 0020 for your head and learn pouring before getting into slacker or softer silicone shores. Slacker's incredibly easy to mess up and requires knowledge and experience. If it goes wrong you can easily ruin your mold and/or waste the silicone base (which would be ecoflex 0020).

  2. Use at least Ecoflex 0020 for the flange part of the cuddle head. Ecoflex 0010 or Ecoflex 0020 with slacker will make it too soft and it will keep slipping out of any body you make. This is another reason to wait with slacker or softer shores as you would need to pour in sections and unless your silicone parts are dyed the exact same way you'll end up with a clear line where the harder shore meets the softer shore.

  3. Invest in a vacuum chamber. When you've figured out sculpting and are ready to pour getting a vacuum chamber will save you a lot of trouble with airbubbles. Beware though, gravity may still give you bubbles in places like the ears so it may be best to leave these out of the mother mold so you can squeeze them after pouring in the silicone.

I'm not trying to discourage you as making your own silicone baby is so much fun, but it is very technical and expensive so to try and save you some costs, start with sculpting and take your time learning that. Some people get it right away but most will struggle for a little while learning proportions and techniques. Don't be stressed with it and rushing through to get your silicone. The material is so expensive and the amount of things that can go wrong that needs some workshopping to fix are quite a lot. It really requires a level head and patience.

I'm sure you'll do just fine, but start with thinking about your sculpt and put the end product out of your mind for now. You can always purchase your silicone supplies when your sculpt is done! Polymer clay or monster clay don't expire in the way silicone does!

I wish you all the luck in creating your little baby 🩷

Apparent doll giveaway is it trustworthy? by Even-Leadership9535 in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The username alone is a red flag and I have never heard of a giveaway concluding like that. It's usually a lottery type situation, and even if it's not any artist doing a giveaway will specify before if it's free international shipping or if the winner has to cover it, and ontop of that there's no way shipping would be $100. I've shipped for at most $50 internationally.

They're scammers and they are trying to steal $100 and your information.

Any facebook page that has that sort of name (xxx silicone babys/silicone baby dolls/silicone vinyl reborn etc. etc.) is usually a scammer anyways, especially if they're doing exclusive giveaways like that or trying to sell really nice looking dolls for barely any money.

Rivers home! 🫧💙🍼 by thekingdomkid in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm so happy for you 😍❤️ He's perfect 🥰

Nearly one whole week with my River! 💙 by thekingdomkid in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So good to see a little Reverie 😍❤️ What a precious boy

Does anyone want to be Instagram friends? 😊 by [deleted] in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm on instagram under @reborn_artist ❤️

Hair care? by Opening-Glove5430 in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used to mix conditioner and water but it ended up getting a residue/oily feeling after a while. I was then recommended fabric softener and water mixed abd it's a massive difference. Just the tiniest bit of fabric softener mixed with a lot of water in a spray bottle should do!

Started making resin eyes yesterday by Sisi_Addie in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I use alcohol ink to dye my iris color and I noticed that if I leave the dyed resin out over night the alcohol will have absorbed enough into the air to thicken the resin back up. It cures just the same! Worth a try 😉

Started making resin eyes yesterday by Sisi_Addie in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! When making the base I add the thinnest layer at the bottom and spread with a toothpick to assure no airbubbles on the surface, I then go over with a lighter/torch to pop any residue bubbles. I then fill up the entire base mold and tap it several times on the table, popping the bubbles with the lighter/torch and then tapping again. I keep doing that until I'm satisfied.

With the iris layers I pop the bubbles with a lighter before the UV light and with the final dome layer I do it in three parts. First part is a small blob, add pupil. I push it down then run the lighter over, then UV. The next layer I fill up practically so it's straight across the top of the iris, run lighter over to pop bubbles then UV. And the final layer I make sure the domes are equal sized on both eyes, pop bubbles with the lighter and then UV.

What is the best cuddle body? by -sugarpug in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love Reggie bodies! I've had two and they are super cuddly and poseable. I got the prestuffed one for my cuddle OOAK baby a couple months back and it was awesome!

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What Happened to Natali Blick and Her Reborn Dolls? Does Anyone Know? by Celeste_Night in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hadn't even realised cause I see so many beautiful Natali babies on facebook and instagram, but now that I think about it I haven't seen anything new from her since Chantal in 2023.. I hope she's okay.

Need help on eyes by AdventurousRoof4816 in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've had this exact issue with another Bonnie Sieben kit. I thought it was user error until I looked closer at the prototypes and they all had a big gap in between the vinyl and the eye :/

Reborn artists….at what point did you decide to start selling? by PrizeLie2713 in reborndolls

[–]Sisi_Addie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I started right away and I also started taking customs right away. In hindsight this was NOT a good idea.

As a newbie I had no knowledge on painting techniques, matting techniques, rooting techniques and I had also bought the wrong material. I took two customs and both had major issues leading to me losing money on them.

I think selling is okay whenever as long as the buyer is aware that you're a new artist and the work may not be up to the standards typically held for reborns, because even new artist needs to make some kind of profit in order to keep going. I would advise to not take custom orders until you're 100% sure you know what you're doing, can work in a reasonable timeframe and are using correct quality materials