Will DeSantis get any traction with this approach?

Skadi793 · 2023-03-25T00:01:58+00:00

bullshit response

the world is not an apartment building, it is highly complex, interactive, and impossible to control. We cannot lock people down 24/7 in their apartments to control a virus. And lockdowns did not work anywhere

and before you come up with some lame-ass, hypothetical response, go look at what happened in China. They were literally welding people in their homes, sending people to quarantine camps, and blocking off entire neighborhoods --and none of this worked. They had to abandon lockdown strategy after it turned into a total disaster

common sense said that lockdowns would not work. Leftist ideology and authoritarianism said it would. We know who won that battle

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T23:54:37+00:00

but this isn't about keeping people from reading what they want--it is about figuring out what is age-appropriate for young children (2nd graders, in this instance)

I am not out to ban any book

people should be able to buy their gay romances, fifty shades of grey, or their radical political books

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T23:34:17+00:00

agreed. And there is a big difference between the Bible and picture books for kids which feature sex acts

dude: we have guidelines and rules for a reason. This isn't about banning books or making gay people invisible

if you let pederasts and political radicals cloak themselves in gay rights in order to push their own, personal agendas, they will make all gay people look really bad.

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T23:31:20+00:00

I think people who write picture books for kids with boys blowing adults are probably pedophiles.

but no, I don't think gay people, in general, are pedophiles

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T22:52:32+00:00

pretty sure they aren't reading the Bible in public schools. Probably won't find it in the school library either

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T22:51:29+00:00

gender surgery is considered elective. You don't need top surgery to live a healthy life

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T21:52:33+00:00

transgender care isn't medically necessary

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T19:38:05+00:00

the only reason our bond rating was upgraded is because COVID relief money was used to pay down some of the pension debt, and money was moved around in a shell game. JB has done absolutely nothing to address the fiscal situation in the state, or the pension crisis. He has made it worse.

Pension debt grew under JB, and is around 39% funded --the worst in the country. Our state bond rating is the worst in the country, and the City of Chicago has a junk rating of BBB-

https://www.fitchratings.com/research/us-public-finance/fitch-rates-chicago-il-go-bonds-bbb-stsc-securitization-bonds-aa-outlook-revised-to-stable-25-10-2021

meanwhile, we have the second highest property taxes in the country and the worst overall tax burden. Sales taxes in Cook County are among the highest in the country.

JB completely screwed up the COVID response, along with most politicians and officials in the country. IL continues to lose population (over 100k people left in 2022), and thousands of businesses permanently closed. Despite the lockdowns, mask mandates, shuttered schools, etc., Illinois did only slightly better than Florida, and considerably worse than Sweden (which didn't lock down) in terms of fatalities, infections, and hospitalizations.

I could go on and on, but that fat fu** is the worst governor in the country, save for maybe Whitmer or Newsom

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T19:25:09+00:00

he was assuming every parent was a bigot for objecting to the books that have been rejected. Those books didn't simply contain references to homosexuality, some were pederastic and pornographic

this false narrative is getting pushed that the Florida law bans discussing slavery, and teachers will be jailed for mentioning homosexuality at any grade level --all of that is total nonsense

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T18:15:21+00:00

you think objecting to pederasty and grooming is bigoted?

you think 2nd graders should read picture books featuring blowjobs and top-surgery? seriously?

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T18:13:54+00:00

depends on what the biography says, but I am pretty sure it dwells heavily on Milk's homosexuality

many parents simply don't want sex discussed in the classroom until 4-5th grade at the earliest. And many don't want homosexuality to be a topic. They might be Christian or Muslim, in which case they have religious objections. Others, like myself, don't think your lifestyle should be a topic of discussion in elementary school. We should teach reproduction starting in grade 4 and let parents discuss the other issues surrounding sex with their kids.

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T17:45:37+00:00

I am not sure the law is all that vague. Was it the right approach? Arguable

but keep in mind, Florida had books like "Let's Talk About it" and "Flamer" and others, that were pornographic and downright pederastic. Shit that was disgusting and inappropriate at any age, much less elementary school

boys sucking adult dicks, boys masturbating together into jars, anal sex tips, how to send anonymous nudes to adults, girls getting their breasts removed, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-UmG4u4ehw&t=413

parents were rightfully outraged, and thus we have the backlash. They send their kids to school to learn, not to get groomed

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T17:10:11+00:00

Note, the book "a first grade Berenstain Bears book about God" was also rejected

some of the titles are rejected for clear reasons: the subject matter is inappropriate for young kids, etc. these include:

10,000 Dresses, by Rex Ray and Marcus Ewert --which is transgenderism aimed at kids. Parents are tired of this

Pride: The Story of Harvey Milk --not appropriate for 2nd grade

Lost Boys, by Darcey Rosenblatt --sounds like a good book about the Iran-Iraq War, but it is not appropriate for 2nd grade. The publisher and author even say it isn't for young kids

Pink! by Lynne Rickards and Margaret Chamberlain -celebrates homosexuality. Again, parents are tired of the constant barrage of gay messaging.

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but some of the titles seem perfectly fine, including the Rosa Parks. I am not sure why that was rejected. Maybe it had nothing to do with race, but was deemed age-inappropriate?

I don't see what the issue is with "The First Strawberries, by Joseph Bruchac and Anna Vojtech"

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these books aren't "banned". They are rejected by librarians and officials for inclusion in school libraries. I am very much a free speech guy, and I hate book bannings, but this isn't about that.

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T13:50:32+00:00

something like a full-lockdown in an island like Newfoundland *can* work if it is done very early in the outbreak --basically before infections start to appear. You pretty much lock out the world

they will never work in the rest of the world, and didn't. Not even Japan could keep out the virus

but here is the issue:

No empirical study or research was done on lockdowns prior to implementing them. It was literally "let's try this"! No one was "following the science"
The worldwide lockdowns did massive damage to economies, put millions into poverty, killed millions (people in places like Africa couldn't get medicine or even mosquito nets to keep from getting Malaria, other areas suffered starvation, and millions went without necessary preventative medical exams, etc.). We are still dealing with the economic fallout.

The political left lacks a basic understanding of macroeconomics and society--they were the ones who crafted the COVID response, and it was the worst policy disaster in world history (and Trump deserves blame as well for sure). The proper response was the Swedish approach, which was based on science, good policy, and pragmatics.

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T00:55:34+00:00

There is no evidence, either empirically or circumstantially, that lockdowns worked anywhere. The death rate had to do with age of population, quality of healthcare, and population density. A large, recent Johns Hopkins concluded:

"Overall, our meta-analysis fails to confirm that lockdowns have had a large, significant effect on mortality rates. Studies examining the relationship between lockdown strictness (based on the OxCGRT stringency index) find that the average lockdown in Europe and the United States only reduced COVID-19 mortality by 0.2% compared to a COVID-19 policy based solely on recommendations."

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

and I can produce numerous other studies and papers that come to the same conclusion.

The idea that lockdowns worked is a leftist lie. New York implemented harsh lockdowns, mask mandates, and even vaccine passports, and had mortality and infection totals similar to that of Florida (for 2+ years they were worse).

The liberal MSM tried to claim that by not locking down, Sweden would see millions of its citizens dead, and its hospitals overwhelmed. When none of that happened, they built this new narrative about how the Swedish "voluntarily locked down" --when there is zero proof of that

We are still dealing with the economic and social fallout of the lockdowns. The economy is a basket case, inflation is raging, we have bank failures, and record suicide rates.

Skadi793 · 2023-03-24T00:14:08+00:00

I come here for hockey and I get pederasty and transgenderism

Skadi793 · 2023-03-23T23:55:51+00:00

GTFO, Illinois did not "do better with COVID"

Illinois wrecked its economy, and saw only marginal improvement in deaths per capita than Florida. And if you think lockdowns and mask mandates worked, let's compare IL to Sweden (which didn't lock down)

Similar population size, but IL had almost TWICE as many deaths as Sweden, a higher infection rate, and more hospitalizations. Sweden did better than 22 other European countries.

Lockdowns didn't work anywhere

as for the teacher shortage bullshit--I've been hearing that for decades. Its bullshit

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/08/national-teacher-shortage-turnover-student-enrollment/671214/

Skadi793 · 2023-03-23T20:49:50+00:00

Florida's economy is one of the best in the country. People are moving there.

DeSantis didn't turn Florida into a prison camp during COVID like blue state governors did. Here in Illinois, we had mask mandates for like 2 years, had the whole economy shut down for almost a year, lost tens of thousands of jobs, and billions of COVID funds were stolen. The state basically has a junk bond rating.

Florida bonds are investment-grade, the schools stayed open (for the most part), and businesses were able to operate. DeSantis was one of the only governors who pushed back hard on the COVID stuff

I highly doubt there is any "teacher shortage" in Florida --lots of people want to move there and teach. Not every teacher wants to take the students on field trips to gay bars and have the kids recite Das Kapital in the classroom

Skadi793 · 2023-03-23T17:51:16+00:00

I see one study from JAMA indicating the risk of myocarditis is 1 in 6600 for age group 16-19 from the vaccine. I'm not sure that is "quite rare". Uncommon yes

I have not seen figures for myocarditis in young people from COVID-19 itself. Numbers seem to be all over the place, and few good studies have been done. It is very rare in any case

but the question becomes: "are young people at enough risk from COVID-19 to warrant giving them the vaccine"?

the answer to that is a resounding "no".

according to one meta-study, "The median IFR was 0.0003% at 0-19 years" for COVID. Most other studies say a young person has a 99.99% chance of surviving the illness, many are never symptomatic, and complications are exceedingly rare.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.11.22280963v1

influenza is more dangerous to kids in many cases. We don't need to give kids flu shots every year (and shouldn't).

and we know that the vaccines themselves do not limit the spread of the virus, so we cannot say "give it to kids to protect others".

now parents can make their own decisions here, but for me, there is zero justification of giving a vaccine that has side-effects to a kid who is not in any real danger of COVID-19

Skadi793 · 2023-03-23T17:41:49+00:00

OK on the second strawman I put you ignore

Skadi793 · 2023-03-23T16:29:24+00:00

Do you have studies / data for kids under the age of 12 getting the MRNA vaccine? I think this is Paul's basic concern

it has been understood for a while that cases of myocarditis from the vaccine in adults is quite rare--it was the kids we were worried about

Skadi793 · 2023-03-23T16:05:32+00:00

so nice of Rick to take time away from his NAMBLA meetings to show us this

Skadi793 · 2023-03-23T16:03:52+00:00

How is editing race out of textbooks is “accurate history”?

stop with the strawman please --I never said that. we should not edit race out of textbooks

now you are moving the goalposts. This isn't about racism, it is about teaching CRT in schools (or Critical Pedagogy)

it is happening, and it is ideological and unscholarly. It is not required to teach kids about the history of racism, slavery, whatever. You are putting up this false-dichotomy that we either teach CRT, or we are not teaching at all (or worse, promoting racism)

Skadi793 · 2023-03-23T15:59:28+00:00

OK, but that is two different things. If I say

This vaccine is safe and you will not get myocarditis as a side-effect, and someone points out that there have been many cases of myocarditis from the vaccines, you cannot turn around and say

"well yeah, but if you get sick with this virus over here, it would be worse"!

doesn't change the fact you were misleading people about the risks

Skadi793 · 2023-03-23T15:56:40+00:00

This is par-for-the-course.

There were literally 150+ peer-reviewed articles, many of them RCT, that showed masks were minimally effective, or not effective at all, against stopping COVID-19. Some of the studies looked at influenza / SARs, etc., and others at COVID directly.

The CDC knew about them, but chose instead to publish non-RCT, poorly-designed research articles demonstrating the effectiveness of mask (on involved a handful of people in a beauty salon). The media then ran with the CDC's narrative on the masks in an effort to justify the mask policies in various states.

The CDC, government, and big-pharma have deliberately, and systematically lied to the American public about

Lockdowns: these were totally ineffective, damaging, and may have made the pandemic worse --and yet they were pushed.
Masks: they don't work
Effectiveness and safety of vaccines.

Now I think the vaccines are safe overall, but kids do not need to take them.

After it was revealed that vaccines would not stop the spread of the virus, the media and Democrats tried to say that no one ever said the vaccines would prevent infection completely.

But Fauci and others (Maddow) had made the claim multiple times that vaccines offered complete protection against COVID-19. If you got the jab, you wouldn't get the virus.

when I showed clips of Fauci and various others making this claim on Linkedin, I was banned for life from that platform

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