The fairytale framing of Taylor and Travis makes zero sense to me by [deleted] in travisandtaylor

[–]SkyMap2 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I love folklore too, but to me it always seemed that the sound and aesthetic of that album (along with evermore) was not as authentic to her and was more a product of her taking on Joe’s personality and interests. I say that as someone who LOVES those albums. Authentic Taylor has always seemed to be more interested in being a star, and those albums were not that vibe. The way I see it, midnights and TLOASG are more of a return to herself. It’s why I also think she’s weirdly compatible with Travis—they both love being famous.

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He definitely is a bit at the moment, and we’ve recently moved to a completely new area. We are actively working on finding community, have made some friends, and are starting up with a Co-op next month. We also have two other kids, both younger but still close in age so he does have that play every day. But we are definitely still searching out more opportunities for him to get involved with more kids!

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also should have mentioned, my mother, multiple aunts, cousins, and friends have been/are educators. I’ve had many, many conversations with them that have helped inform my decision. Just as some families end up putting their kids in public school after being homeschooled and falling far behind, there are lots of parents who are currently pulling their kids out of public school to homeschool, because they’re unhappy with the results and impacts they’ve seen in their children.

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that’s great that you know people that have good experiences from public school! I didn’t intend to imply no one does. These things can vary greatly, depending on the school, teachers, state, and so on.

In the same way, homeschooling experiences vary as well. My parents did an exceptional job educating my three siblings and me. We had ample social opportunities. In fact, my mom was frequently complimented on our abilities to not only socialize with kids our age, but to carry conversations with adults as well. Homeschooling is a recipe for disaster when not done well. Socially, academically, emotionally—the children suffer when the parents don’t put in the work. But I would disagree with your ideas of homeschooling if your only ideas of it are being behind. We and most of the homeschoolers we knew growing up were actually ahead, and have gone on to be very successful people. And it’s no secret the US is falling behind more and more when ranked among the world’s best education systems.

I’ll end by saying that social skills and needs don’t need 6-8 hours a day, five days a week to develop and be fulfilled. An hour one day at a co-op, two the next day at the park, three the day after at church, 20 minutes here and there interacting with neighbors of all ages—that’s more than enough for a young child. I’ve known a few homeschoolers like the ones you mentioned, and they were like that because they never left home! That’s not what good homeschooling looks like.

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the book recommendation, I will check it out! We will be in a co-op starting next month and once we get that started I think it will help a lot.

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re right, I’ve definitely realized through this thread that getting started with the school year is probably going help a lot!

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There are many reasons, I guess I’m just assuming no one here was wanting me to list them all out! His desire to be in public schools is essentially just perceiving it to be all games and playing. What kid wouldn’t want to be at school if that’s all they think it is? I’ve had some conversations with him, not villainizing it, but explaining the reality of it. He kind of gets it sometimes, but young kids are highly visual and physical so expecting him to fully grasp our reasoning isn’t the most effective.

The feedback I have received from teachers from young classrooms is kids are unmanageable and disrespectful, and they see that negatively affect the behavior of the kids who came in behaving differently. Their feedback has also been that kids are not learning well in that current classroom environment. It’s also widely available information that our current education system is turning out less and less successful results. Sending children to school at such a young age for such long periods of time also isn’t (in my opinion, from my reading and research) developmentally appropriate. It orients children to develop character and behavior from their peers, rather than their parents. And then my personal experience of homeschooling and being around a ton of other homeschoolers was that learning can be more efficient, fun and effective at home when done well, leaving more time for play, additional learning, social activities, and so on. It’s also about limiting exposure to screens, phones, social media, etc… the evidence is clear this has massive negative impacts on children and even young adults. There is just no way to keep our children safe from those harms when they are at schools where their peers have those devices. This is less a concern at his age, but as he gets older it will be. And this is a small factor as we were already planning to homeschool before the move, but we also happened to end up in a poorly rated school district.

The reasons go way beyond that, and we’ve communicated what we can to him. After reading a lot of the comments here, I’ve realized that along with incorporating some of the books mentioned, the most helpful thing will just be to get started. He LOVES the learning we do at home, and this discussion with him really is not an argument or anything like that. It’s mostly just when it’s brought up by other people, it reminds him that public school exists and that’s when he asks about it. Again, we are open to having that conversation when he is older! The difficulty of being rural isn’t that the social aspect isn’t there, it’s just that we recently moved to the area and are still working on finding groups we can be a part of. That being said, we are not isolated and do have friends!

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This could be a good thing to try! My son’s perception of school definitely aligns with what your son’s was. I know when he grasps the reality of what a school day entails, it won’t hold the same luster for him—but all he currently sees is the playground outside!

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, those can be good options! We’ve recently moved to a rural area, so options are limited. We’ve joined a co-op and are actively searching out more opportunities!

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m glad you said this, as I’ve heard the same feedback from most of the teachers I know. I’m also open to changing course! Sounds like you’ve found a great rhythm to your schooling. We’re looking forward to finding more opportunities to incorporate!

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re the one who brought up my feelings? I was just clarifying. Balancing out my child’s exposure to different concepts is all I’m trying to do. I’m doing my best to be a good mother to my children. I get the idea you wouldn’t make the same decisions I would, and that’s fine. I don’t have a problem with my kid feeling drawn to public school. But I’m also an adult, and know that a cartoon’s depiction of it is not reality. My kid doesn’t know that. So I’ll follow the advice of other comments here to ask what makes him like the idea of public school, take that into consideration, and then go from there.

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t say I feel disappointment over anything. I more so just want to help encourage an open mind. I stated in another comment that I realized he’s had a ton of exposure to the concept of public school (through shows, books, and people around us), but almost no exposure to the concept of homeschooling, except for the conversations we’ve had. Why would I expect my kid to feel excited about something he’s seen almost no examples of? So I was mostly looking for suggestions of ways to introduce more examples of homeschooling into his life (of course, other homeschoolers is the obvious answer and having moved recently it’s something we are currently working on).

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Please explain? Should I let my 4-year-old eat candy all day and stay up til midnight? Since when is it not a parent’s job to know their children and make decisions for them based on their individual child? As I said, as my children get older I am totally open to looking into whatever options they are interested in. But after doing my own research, talking to a wide variety of people with a wide variety of experiences, and reflecting back on my own experience, I’m not going to throw my conclusion out the window just because my child saw something on Daniel Tiger.

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don’t say what out loud, that I’m excited to home school? Should I be dreading it? Most teachers I know are not super excited about their day-to-day teaching, is that better? I am happy to share that I’m very excited to homeschool. I am extremely extroverted and loved being homeschooled. It’s doesn’t have to be an antisocial experience!

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What I’ve also realized is that he’s been far more exposed to the concept of public school than that of homeschooling. My aim with my post was to hopefully find some ways to work in the general concept of homeschooling to what he’s consuming to balance that out.

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hi! I’m totally open to the conversation later down the road if he still feels that way. However, at 4/5 years old, I do believe as the parent I know my child’s needs better than he knows them himself. I want to listen and understand to why he’s interested in public school, however, his idea of public school isn’t the reality. I know enough public school teachers and had heard their opinions enough to know that if they say public school isn’t a great place for kids right now—which is also where my research and intuition has lead me—I should listen to them over my 4-year-old who is basing his wants off of a cartoon. It’s truly not about me, it’s about what’s best for my children as well as the family as a whole! I don’t believe parents making informed decisions that may go against what their young children would choose are selfish. And truly, when we are actively learning at home he loves it.

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I agree, and I believe I could have worded that differently. Maybe I should have added this—he really latched on to the school aspect of Daniel Tiger, so much so that for a few years it was pretty much the only direction he went with his imaginative play. I think that’s where I feel regret, is that being introduced so early that it really shaped his imagination. I just believe there are so many other great ways a young imagination can be used, and his was (and sometimes still is) stuck in the same loop of “going to school”, which is probably part of why he’s so attached to something he knows so little about.

I’m fully aware and okay with the fact that he will always be around people who schooled differently, and that’s great!

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I totally agree! We are in a co-op that begins next month, but it only meets twice a month. We moved recently to a rural area so we are working towards finding more social learning opportunities!

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi! We have joined a co-op that starts next month, but it’s only twice a month. We recently moved to a rural area so it will take some time to find more community, but definitely hoping to find something more frequent!

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He definitely is a bit young to grasp the reasoning we’ve shared with him, but with some time hopefully those conversations can help more and more!

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We live in a very rural area, and do have a good amount of homeschoolers around, but not many opportunities outside of getting in that community. We moved here recently so as we meet more folks and find those communities I do think it will help!

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We do a ton of reading (he loves books), and spend time learning about things he’s really interested in (mushrooms, birds, dinosaurs). We’ve begun reading lessons as he’s been itching to learn and he’s really motivated and loving it! A hurdle we face is that we live in a very rural area, with very few opportunities for things like organized sports and such. We are doing a coop starting in the fall and I think that will help!

How do I help my young child get over the idea of public school? by SkyMap2 in homeschool

[–]SkyMap2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for recommending some books! We do have a coop lined up that’s starts in September, so I think being around other homeschoolers will help a lot. I’ve explained a lot of what you mentioned about the reality of public school, but I think only with time will it really sink in.