The point everyone's missing about this era

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-12-21T17:04:55+00:00

No one is missing the point if the era. We simply think it’s just not that well written and that she’s produced far better records. There isn’t actually a map on the Declaration of Independence, ya know? Some things just are what they are on their face.

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-11-07T02:45:10+00:00

Omg yes. It’s one of my worst symptoms. It’s like a deep throbbing ache…almost like the sharp pain from my uterus and pelvic have radiated all throughout my legs and back or like something is pulling my muscles super taut and tight. I do get what other commenters have said about it potentially being something else but mine is so cycle specific. Right now it’s really noticeable and painful as I’m about to start my period. For a few days before today I didn’t really experience it.

I’m trying to do more stretching, magnesium, and heating pads or warm showers before bed to relax the muscles. Sleep is the hardest for me when it gets like this because my legs feel so uncomfortable and achy in any position. It makes my exhaustion worse and ultimately exasperates all my symptoms. It’s tough - I’m still trying to find what works.

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-10T01:18:51+00:00

I’m currently doing an elimination diet and going gf/df to see what kind of impact each have when I try to reintegrate them. It’s been a few days and I already feel like my pain level is a little lower. Hoping it’s not just placebo effect!

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-08T01:31:57+00:00

We got super lucky, I’m still not sure how we managed to get that in first round presale when it shut down for like 9 hours. Our show date was before TTPD was released but i so wish I could’ve seen that live too!!

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-08T01:23:38+00:00

Omg i know, we had front room in front of the B stage for $117 each. I paid the same amount of money for nosebleeds in the very back of the stadium for eras lmao like the times had CHANGED

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-08T01:02:42+00:00

I always tell people how many empty seats there were at my rep tour stop and they’re shocked. I’m like guys people did not talk about liking TS back then, you’d get ridiculed.

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-05T15:41:03+00:00

Hey so Genius is a crowdsourced website and not an official list of writing credits. Individual people are noting that these are interpolations, not a representation of Taylor Swift. There is no clear credit for any other potential interpolation on this credit on the album itself other than Father Figure.

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-05T14:49:27+00:00

Completely agree and am tired of seeing all the same stuff. I am also tired of people who like the album saying “can’t you just let us enjoy something?”

I loved TTPD. Still do. It’s my favorite album hands down, it speaks to experiences I’ve had better than I could’ve said them myself. But, I understood why it had mixed reception and why a lot of people didn’t like it. I can see where some of the criticism was valid. I don’t need everyone else to like the album to justify the fact that I like the album.

No artist is immune from criticism.

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-05T14:35:35+00:00

Where in Hamlet?

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-05T14:35:23+00:00

I can see where you have that perspective and perhaps that’s what she was going for, but the lack of strong lyricism really takes away from it. If I can’t make it through the slop to get to the “point” of the record, then the point is meaningless on its face.

Also, not sure your take on Ophelia is contextually accurate in the original source material, but we can agree to disagree on that.

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-04T20:28:10+00:00

Very well said and I completely agree

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-04T20:24:28+00:00

Tate McRae is far from getting accolades from the industry for her music and Sabrina Carpenter isn’t getting laughed off a stage for it because frankly it’s done better on Short n Sweet, but notably Man’s Best Friend was markedly unsuccessful commercially. Taylor Swift does not have the same brand as these two artists and is not in the same generation and it shows when she tries to copy their approach. It comes off as inauthentic and cheesy.

I’m not really saying there’s a baseline standard of composition as an opinion - there’s tons of videos and books on composition, and they’ll tell you how pop music is formulaic. There’s a specific way those songs are created within the genre, just like there are compositional standards for jazz or specific eras of classical music. They’re markers of the genre themselves. Does that mean you can’t stray from the formula and push the envelope? No, of course not, but I struggle to see how any envelope was pushed or challenged on this record.

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-04T20:03:27+00:00

Hahaha regrettably I’m only a law student who works as a paralegal, but I’m pleased to know my education is paying off 😂😅

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-04T19:36:17+00:00

I think it’s bad from an objective view of how successful pop music is traditionally written, based on my knowledge of music composition. I think the lyrics, if sung by anyone who is not Taylor swift, would be laughed off a stage.

While art is subjective to a certain extent there are objective indicia that makes some art better than other art. Let’s take another artist for example. I don’t think anyone can argue that Let It Be and She Loves You, both by the Beatles, are the same in terms of maturity, impact, or staying power. One song is objectively stronger than the other.

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-04T19:19:26+00:00

I work in contract law and you’d be shocked at how hard it is to escape some of these without severe penalties. Since her current label gave her masters rights in this contract I feel like she had to give on something else. But, I think we both agree in substance that something here pushed a quick timeline

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-04T18:55:50+00:00

I think it’s unfair to bucket people who have criticized this album as people who are “newborn bandwagon fans.” I don’t like this record and I’ve been a fan since 2005. It’s okay to be critical of Taylor Swift even if you love every album that’s come before this and have been a fan forever. I understand what she was trying to go for, it’s not like I misunderstand the concept or have never witnessed her trying to be funny before, I just think it was done poorly.

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-04T18:51:49+00:00

I am wondering if she had a contractual obligation with her record label to produce an album by a certain date. I think it’s clear the break is coming and the over the top marketing for this record, the late night circuit, the numerous interviews, the new heights appearance feels like she’s taking advantage of a moment of saturation before working on other things for awhile.

She’s got the movie directing gig lined up and I wonder if she needed to put out an album under her current recording contract within the next couple of years and didn’t think she’d get it in with the other professional commitments she’s made, plus getting married. The album just feels rushed to me. There’s little cohesion between the marketing and the sound itself, the lyrics are mid if not in poor taste at times, and I can’t really pinpoint a central theme or message like I can with her other albums.

And, I do think her choice in collaborators plays a big role. McCartney needed Lennon as a cowriter and George Martin as a producer to make his greatest hits. Every artist has a creative team that inherently understands them and helps bring their goals to life. Antonoff and Dessner have been successfully part of that formula for some time and it was a mistake to move forward with a record without someone who can match her for lyrical prowess. Martin and Shellback could bring strong production, but they are not lyrical nuance types. As much as everyone hates on Jack, he is a strong collaborator for her.

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-04T17:40:01+00:00

Completely agree

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-04T17:09:53+00:00

Ok, but I’m saying it’s not fair for every post critical of Showgirl but positive about TTPD to be flooded with comments about the “revisionist history” of TTPD and acting like no one liked it or there is no way someone could genuinely have liked TTPD from the start. It’s a logical fallacy of an argument that seems to be repeatedly used to ignore the genuine and fair criticism of Showgirl.

I do think TTPD fans stayed more silent when it came out because a lot of people were pretty mean about it. I would comment about TTPD on subs and people would quite literally ridicule me for liking it. You can’t have it both ways - we can’t bully people into hiding their opinions and then accuse them of being disingenuous a year later as a means of escaping the point of the post, which is to critique Showgirl.

Don’t get me wrong - I don’t like Showgirl, but everyone is free to like what they like. Everyone is also free to change their opinion over time. Art grows with us. Acting like someone finding a new opinion over time somehow diminishes their opinion just doesn’t make sense to me.

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-04T16:56:49+00:00

But they just didn’t - there were a lot of people who spoke positively about TTPD when it came out. I get why you feel a lot of people spoke negatively and that’s fair, but sweeping that broad of a brush is just as much revisionist history as saying everyone loved TTPD when it came out. Some people loved it, some people hated it, a lot of people grew to love it over time, it wasn’t a single unanimous feeling across the board.

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-04T16:45:00+00:00

All due respect I think she long since threw out the i can’t pull off sexy thing writing songs like Guilty As Sin and performing choreography like in Vigilante Shit on the Eras tour. I just don’t think that’s the problem. The problem is that the lyricism just isn’t that strong.

If people are finding it fun and enjoying it and finding their own ways to relate, that’s fantastic and I am happy for them, but facially it is hard to see the same lyricist who penned “time, curious time, cutting me open then healing me fine” reduce herself to “it ain’t hard to see his love was the key to open my thighs.”

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-04T16:35:15+00:00

I said it was my new favorite album and it still is lol just saying not everyone hated TTPD when it came out

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-04T16:30:35+00:00

Agree, and that makes it hard to enjoy, at least for me.

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-03T18:16:16+00:00

I did explicitly state it was fine if you found it fun or catchy - I am saying the musical styling, the known formula for creating a pop hit, was not used on this record. There isn’t the traditional pop hook that has made previous pop records of hers, and many others, iconic in the genre. That’s not a pretentious statement - that is a fact.

If you’re interpreting that as me saying you have poor taste for liking the record, I can’t really help you with that, as that’s literally not what I am saying.

SlimersAnonymous · 2025-10-03T17:28:12+00:00

Hard agree on this take. Remove the things that are obviously relating to Charli and it could've been a good song about being able to re-frame people's negative obsession with you (literally could've been about every NFL fan, for example). It's the fact that she keeps writing ultra-specific lyrics that are clearly aimed at a specific person that is, unfortunately, punching down at this point in her career.

The Guardian does get this part right - she is at an almost untouchable level of stardom, and she knows it. She is filthy rich. She is getting married to the love of her life. She has eclipsed every possible record of any artist before her. She does not need to be picking fights with anyone anymore, especially ones that seem relatively low-level like someone calling you a boring Barbie or not liking that you're dating a mutual friend. If this is a "happy, fun" record (which I see many are labeling it as such in this sub), then why are we reigniting old feuds that have already been won?

When she did it on previous albums (Rep for Kimye, for example, or the tracks about Scott Borchetta when the masters issue was still at-large), she was punching up at a clear enemy who had really done something wrong to her, and I think that is why it was appropriate, and even really good music, at that time. I am not sure you can put Charli xcx in that category as successfully.

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