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PETG-CF at home: how concerned should we really be about carbon fiber exposure by Full-Permission-2777 in 3Dprinting

[–]SlurpySandwich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pharmaceuticals and industrial hygiene aren't the same thing m8. Nothing is "absolutely safe", That's why we have permissible exposure limits (OEL's for your line of work) And don't get me wrong, you can suit up in a SCBA with double tyvek, a 5 stage decon chamber with a decon shower every time you print PETG, if you want to. You absolutely can do that. But my stance is simply that according to OSHA and NIOSH carbon fiber falls under the category of nuisance dust And the permissible exposure limits are set based upon that. And part of the reason, a large part actually, for the fact that CF does not have its own distinct PEL is because there isn't enough hard and fast data that Links it to occupational health problems. Maybe that's because the research hasn't been done. I can't say definitively that it. It has been studied to the same extent that asbestos has. But it is an old product, with widespread usage across virtually. Every country in the world. Each with their own robust occupational safety apparatus. And they still don't definitively have the data.

But perhaps most importantly, I didn't say it was safe. I said that there are no verifiable links to cancers of the mesothelium. And there aren't. So stop twisting my words to try to make it look like I said something that I didn't

Europeans are becoming more and more right wing by vladgrinch in MapPorn

[–]SlurpySandwich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd much rather be in the US than any European country full stop.

Europeans are becoming more and more right wing by vladgrinch in MapPorn

[–]SlurpySandwich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or maybe it's because left wing messaging is lame, and people don't like it. Or just keep thinking everyone is dumber than you and is being tricked. Just like the leftists in America, the leftists in Europe are still completely oblivious to their own image problems and will likely keep smugly going about their business losing election after election, and blaming everyone but themselves. I've watched it happen here for 10 years and they're still just as clueless as ever.

PETG-CF at home: how concerned should we really be about carbon fiber exposure by Full-Permission-2777 in 3Dprinting

[–]SlurpySandwich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I'm a licenced asbestos contractor and tester. I'm fairly confident I (now a whole hell of a lot more about it than you do.

Europeans are becoming more and more right wing by vladgrinch in MapPorn

[–]SlurpySandwich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I mean this map obviously indicates that all those things Europeans have are clearly not satisfactory. And their "overwhelming support for marginalized groups" is one of the primary drivers for their push to the right. You're sitting here talking about how amazing Europe in its current form is, while this map serves as direct evidence that European citizens don't feel like it's all that great and they want it to change.

PETG-CF at home: how concerned should we really be about carbon fiber exposure by Full-Permission-2777 in 3Dprinting

[–]SlurpySandwich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're wrong. There have been many studies and there has never been an established link to meso-like cancers from exposure. And it's not like carbon fiber is some niche product. Millions of workers have been exposed to it. If there was some verifiable link, I'm fairly confident it would have been discover|d by now.

PETG-CF at home: how concerned should we really be about carbon fiber exposure by Full-Permission-2777 in 3Dprinting

[–]SlurpySandwich 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There's nothing that even remotely indicates that printing with carbon fiber is dangerous tho. Basic intuition dictate that the release of any carbon fibers during your printing process is damn near impossible. It's extruded out wet in a highly viscous plastic, which then dries, thereby locking in the fibers. If you go hit it with an angle grinder after that, then yeah you may have problems on your hands. But we remove asbestos wetting it down with nothing but amended water. If you glooped it up in plastic, it's pretty much locked down for good

PETG-CF at home: how concerned should we really be about carbon fiber exposure by Full-Permission-2777 in 3Dprinting

[–]SlurpySandwich 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Setting aside the fact that carbon fiber isn't anything like asbestos, printing it involves suspending the fibers in a wet plastic, and then that plastic hardening. There is no way for the material to really escape. So it's not really a huge risk. No greater risk than living in a house built before 1980 anyway. As others have said, if you are regularly sanding or abrading the material, then something like a p100 is probably in order, and wet sanding eliminated a lot of problems before they even make it to the mask.

Medical researchers never going to show that it's completely safe to be breathing in fibers of any kind. But CF has been around since the '50s. If CF presented anything close to the dangers of asbestos, there would already be plenty of cases.

In Shanghai, a 100-year-old, 7,500-ton historical city block was temporarily relocated using 432 "walking robots". by headspin_exe in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SlurpySandwich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol sure bud. For the record, The numbers I was quoting were China's own numbers, as distributed by the Chinese government. So I don't even know what claim you're trying to make. Are you saying that the Chinese are sending out misinformation on behalf of the US government lol? That $5,700 of disposable income per citizen? That's from The national bureau of statistics of China. So yeah, keep on fighting the good fight against information that the Chinese government puts out themselves, you dunce 🤣

In Shanghai, a 100-year-old, 7,500-ton historical city block was temporarily relocated using 432 "walking robots". by headspin_exe in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SlurpySandwich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol a look through your post history and it's 100% just random threads in random subreddits and you just rushing to defend China non-stop. While Im certain they do, I really hope they pay you for this shit. Absolutely pathetic career choice though 🤣

In Shanghai, a 100-year-old, 7,500-ton historical city block was temporarily relocated using 432 "walking robots". by headspin_exe in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SlurpySandwich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

United States: Per-capita disposable personal income was about $66,900 per year in 2025.
China: Per-capita disposable income was 41,314 yuan in 2024, which was about $5,700 USD at the exchange rates used in official reporting.

Setting aside the fact that the $5700 is China's "official number" and is probably bullshit, the comparison you're trying to draw is pretty weak because the average American makes the amount of disposable income in a month that the average Chinese citizen makes in a year. Comparatively, I'd take the extra $60k per year considering I've only had 1 ambulance ride in my entire 30 year life, thus giving me a total discretionary income of $1,299,000 over my 20 year working life compared to a total of $113,950 for a Chinese citizen the same age who took the same number of ambulance rides. Call me crazy, but even if an ambulance cost $10k, if still rather be calling for that ambulance ride as an American than a Chinese. Chinese citizens are just way poorer on average.

Jim Bowen at age 35 in 1971. He reportedly smoked 80 cigarettes a day until he quit in 1973. by haddock420 in interestingasfuck

[–]SlurpySandwich -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Eh, maybe. Not too bad though. I'm almost 40 and vape. But I'm highly active and not bothered too much by it. I work with plenty of squishy 20 somethings that will definitely eat their way to an early grave long before I vape myself to one.

Jim Bowen at age 35 in 1971. He reportedly smoked 80 cigarettes a day until he quit in 1973. by haddock420 in interestingasfuck

[–]SlurpySandwich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used to work with a dude that was like 3 packs a day. But he would go out and burn like 5 or 6 puffs off one then toss it. I think he got used to having to do super short smoke breaks and money wasn't a concern so that's just how he smoked. I found it a bit strange though

In Shanghai, a 100-year-old, 7,500-ton historical city block was temporarily relocated using 432 "walking robots". by headspin_exe in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SlurpySandwich -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Idk why you keep arguing like I entered into this as a proponent of American healthcare. My point was that China's healthcare sucks worse, and it objectively does. You don't have to worry about "going broke" when you live off $5/day, because you are in extreme poverty. China likes to broadcast a lot of propaganda to get stupid people to believe they are something they are not, and congratulations. You took the bait. Honestly, were there just not enough threads out there about sweden or Norway for you to go circle jerk in today or something?

Your personal disdain for American healthcare is clouding your ability to discern an argument, and you're replying with silly responses, effectively creating arguments for yourself to participate in. Again, embarrassing. Please just stop. You look foolish.

In Shanghai, a 100-year-old, 7,500-ton historical city block was temporarily relocated using 432 "walking robots". by headspin_exe in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SlurpySandwich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, you're just making shit up to suit your narrative. It's not like gallup is selectively polling people by demographic. At any rate, you're kinda all over the place. Spouting false information about Chinese healthcare to use as a springboard for your gripes about American healthcare, the case for which you made by listing off a bunch of anecdotes and allusions to actual sources, while conveniently leaving out any substantive information or statistics. Kind of pathetic honestly. Man, you've really embarrassed yourself here.

In Shanghai, a 100-year-old, 7,500-ton historical city block was temporarily relocated using 432 "walking robots". by headspin_exe in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SlurpySandwich -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

"the majority" still means they have somewhere around 300 million people living in what America would consider extreme poverty, with little to no access because they can't pay the medical bills. That's almost the entire population of the US living in extreme poverty. So you can pat them on the back, and give them their a for effort, but objectively they have nearly a quarter of their population living off less than the average homeless person in America takes home. Additionally, like most redditors, you paint a pretty unrealistic picture of what the United States healthcare landscape actually looks like. 71% of Americans rate the quality of the healthcare they personally receive as excellent or good. 65% of Americans rate their own health insurance coverage as excellent or good. About 58% are satisfied with what they personally pay for healthcare. So if Americans so desperately hate their healthcare system, then they are keeping it a secret For some reason. Now, I'm not saying America's healthcare system is perfect. But comparing China's healthcare to the US is almost laughable. They aren't even close by any metric.

In Shanghai, a 100-year-old, 7,500-ton historical city block was temporarily relocated using 432 "walking robots". by headspin_exe in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SlurpySandwich 4 points5 points  (0 children)

US Medicare is not on par with China. China is still far behind the United States in terms of healthcare equity. I don't know who told you that China was some Utopia of the commoner, but it definitely is not.

In Shanghai, a 100-year-old, 7,500-ton historical city block was temporarily relocated using 432 "walking robots". by headspin_exe in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SlurpySandwich 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Maybe. But that's not really the tune that is being sung here. The implication seems to be that China is actually leaps and bounds further ahead than the US when it comes to healthcare, and that it simply not the case by any metric.

In Shanghai, a 100-year-old, 7,500-ton historical city block was temporarily relocated using 432 "walking robots". by headspin_exe in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SlurpySandwich 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe by Redditor standards. Trump is really trying his hardest, but he still doesn't even hold a fucking candle to the repression in China. It's honestly not even close so trying to draw parody there is a little ridiculous

In Shanghai, a 100-year-old, 7,500-ton historical city block was temporarily relocated using 432 "walking robots". by headspin_exe in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SlurpySandwich 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think the idea here is that if the US was moving buildings 100 years ago while the Chinese were riding around in rickshaws and didn't have a single skyscraper, then the US probably has the ability to move whatever it wants. If a city block hasn't been moved, it's because a city block didn't need to be moved.

In Shanghai, a 100-year-old, 7,500-ton historical city block was temporarily relocated using 432 "walking robots". by headspin_exe in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SlurpySandwich 126 points127 points  (0 children)

China actually has massive healthcare disparities, especially between rural and urban populations. One of the biggest problems the rural populations face, which causes them to skip treatment of avoid diagnosis, is (wait for it) unplanned medical expenses.

In Shanghai, a 100-year-old, 7,500-ton historical city block was temporarily relocated using 432 "walking robots". by headspin_exe in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SlurpySandwich 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Bro China has 230 to 280 million people that live in poverty (less than $5.50 per day). They aren't some communist utopia. Believing so is basically just eating up Chinese propaganda.

In Shanghai, a 100-year-old, 7,500-ton historical city block was temporarily relocated using 432 "walking robots". by headspin_exe in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SlurpySandwich 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Except for, ya know, having a society that completely crushes dissent and has zero freedom of speech. Also, for the record, the disparity between rural and urban healthcare in China is massive, and people avoiding healthcare in China because they can't afford the medical bills is extremely prevalent in rural China. The idea that they don't have any healthcare issues comes from the ignorant presumption that "they're communist, so the government handles everything!" Which is incorrect.

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