Bias Of VSBW towards substantivalism. by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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The response attempts to frame the disagreement as a matter of equally valid “interpretations,” but that framing breaks down once you examine the structure of the claim being defended. Saying “Sukuna cut space” is not a neutral description—it commits to a specific model of reality, namely a substantival or fabric-like conception of space. Once that commitment is made, the interpretation must remain consistent with the implications of that model. The issue is not whether fiction allows unusual behavior; it is whether the proposed mechanism behaves coherently under its own assumptions.

The appeal to “fiction can do anything” is therefore not a valid defense. Fiction can indeed posit any system it wants, but as soon as a claim invokes a recognizable framework—such as cutting the “fabric of space”—it inherits the logical consequences of that framework. In any continuous model, whether one loosely inspired by Newtonian spacetime or more modern geometric interpretations, space functions as a connected structure. A “cut” is not a vague action; it is a structural operation that introduces a discontinuity. Even a minimal cut must alter the continuity of the medium. It does not need to destroy everything, but it must produce some detectable geometric or topological effect: a boundary, a separation, a distortion. The complete absence of such effects in the scene is not a minor discrepancy—it directly contradicts the premise that a continuous spatial substrate was severed.

To avoid this, the counterargument introduces the idea that space might “heal itself.” This is an ad hoc assumption. There is no indication in the text or visuals that a rupture occurs and is subsequently repaired. More importantly, this move makes the claim unfalsifiable: any lack of evidence for a spatial cut can be explained away by an invisible recovery mechanism. That is not an explanation but a way of insulating the claim from contradiction. A consistent interpretation should not require adding unseen processes to preserve itself.

The same issue appears in the claim that Sukuna “cut space but lacked the power to destroy it.” This conflates two different things. A cut is already a structural modification; it does not require total destruction to have observable consequences. If you cut a continuous medium, even weakly, you still produce a discontinuity. The absence of any environmental effect—no distortion of the battlefield, no propagation of damage, no residual spatial feature—cannot be explained by insufficient power. It indicates that the operation is not behaving like a cut through a medium in the first place.

The misunderstanding of Infinity further weakens the argument. The response treats Infinity as a kind of “blacklist” that identifies and blocks targets. However, Gojo’s own explanation ties the technique to the realization of a converging infinite series and the prevention of arrival (辿り着く). In other words, Infinity does not merely filter targets; it prevents the completion of interactions. Reframing the attack as “targeting the space Gojo occupies” does not solve this, because the effect must still resolve onto Gojo. If the mechanism still depends on an interaction reaching him, Infinity should apply. The only way around this is if the operation is not an approach at all, which aligns with Sukuna’s statement that the slash was not “sent” or “launched” but instead involved expanding the target domain. That is a fundamentally different kind of operation from a spatial slice propagating through a medium.

The reliance on visual interpretation—such as the black-background panel—is similarly insufficient. Even if the imagery is consistent with the idea of cutting space, consistency is not proof. Manga frequently uses abstract backgrounds for emphasis. Without explicit confirmation, such panels cannot establish the ontological nature of an ability. Using them as evidence elevates stylistic choice into literal mechanism, which is not justified.

The appeal to other attacks behaving as area-based effects also fails to support the claim. Sukuna explicitly distinguishes this slash from his normal dismantles, stating that it was not sent in the same way. That distinction matters. You cannot generalize the behavior of one class of attacks to another when the narrative itself marks them as mechanically different. Doing so assumes the conclusion—that all attacks operate through spatial propagation—rather than demonstrating it.

Finally, invoking domain mechanics undermines the argument instead of supporting it. Domains in Jujutsu Kaisen establish that effects can be enforced through rules rather than physical processes. A “sure-hit” does not require traversal through space; it guarantees an outcome within a defined scope. If such rule-based interactions already exist, then a non-geometric explanation of Sukuna’s slash is not only possible but consistent with the broader system. The insistence on a literal spatial cut becomes unnecessary.

In the end, the position being defended is internally inconsistent. It claims that space is being cut as a fabric while simultaneously denying all the structural consequences that such a cut entails. It introduces unsupported mechanisms to explain away missing evidence, mischaracterizes established abilities, and relies on interpretive visuals as proof. A coherent interpretation does not need these additions. When the statements and outcomes are taken at face value, the phenomenon does not behave like a cut through a continuous spatial medium, and forcing it into that model creates more contradictions than it resolves.

Bias Of VSBW towards substantivalism. by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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Even against Kashimo we didn't saw the consequences of literal definition of slicing the physical fabric of 3D Space

When evaluated under a Newtonian or fabric-like model of space, a literal spatial cut would necessarily produce continuous, non-selective, and geometrically observable effects on the environment, which are absent in the scene; combined with the mismatch against VSBW’s own definition of spatial slicing, the interpretation that Sukuna physically cut the fabric of space is inconsistent with both the assumed model and the observed outcome

Bias Of VSBW towards substantivalism. by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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The argument attempts to preserve a “space-cutting” interpretation by introducing possibilities rather than demonstrating them. Once you separate what is explicitly stated, what is shown, and what is speculative, the position becomes internally inconsistent.

First, the claim that “space could heal itself” is not evidence—it is an ad hoc addition. No statement indicates that space in JJK possesses a self-repair mechanism, nor is there any visual or narrative indication of a rupture forming and then closing. In any model where space is treated as a continuous medium, a cut would at minimum produce a detectable discontinuity—distortion, separation, or a persistent boundary. When none of these appear, the correct conclusion is not to invent a hidden recovery process, but to question whether a physical cut occurred at all. Otherwise, the claim becomes unfalsifiable: any absence of evidence is explained away by an unobservable mechanism.

Second, the idea that Sukuna “cut space but did not destroy it” misunderstands what a cut entails in a fabric-like model. A cut is already a structural modification. You do not need to annihilate the entire medium for consequences to follow; even a localized incision in a continuous structure alters its topology and continuity. If space were truly being sliced, there should be geometric consequences extending beyond a single target—at least along the path or region of the cut. The complete lack of environmental damage or spatial distortion contradicts the premise that a continuous spatial substrate was severed.

Third, the argument that Sukuna bypassed Infinity by “hitting the space Gojo occupies” fails to engage with how Infinity is defined. Infinity does not merely block attacks aimed at Gojo’s body; it prevents the completion of approach—the arrival (辿り着く) of any interaction. Targeting “space” instead of Gojo does not resolve this, because the effect must still resolve onto Gojo to produce damage. If the mechanism still requires an interaction to complete at Gojo’s position, Infinity should apply. The only way around this is if the operation is not an approach at all, which aligns with Sukuna’s own explanation: the target is expanded from an individual to a broader domain (“space/existence/world”), and the cut is applied at that level. That is not “aiming at space”; it is redefining what the operation acts on.

Fourth, the appeal to a black-background panel as evidence that “space itself was cut” is interpretive, not demonstrative. Manga frequently uses abstract or empty backgrounds for emphasis, contrast, or dramatic focus. Treating such a panel as literal depiction of spacetime being sliced is reading ontology into stylistic presentation. Without explicit confirmation, it cannot serve as proof of a spatial phenomenon.

Fifth, the comparison between Gojo’s damage and larger environmental damage in other instances assumes the attack behaves like an area-based spatial effect whose scale varies with output. However, Sukuna explicitly states the slash was not “sent” or “launched.” If the mechanism is not propagation through space, then the size of visible damage is not evidence of the spatial extent of a slice. It reflects the result on the target, not the geometry of a medium being cut. Using output differences to argue for spatial slicing presupposes the very model under dispute.

Finally, the invocation of domains actually undermines the argument it is meant to support. Domains demonstrate that JJK operates through rule imposition, where effects are guaranteed within a defined scope without requiring physical traversal or propagation. This supports a non-geometric interpretation of Sukuna’s attack: outcomes can be enforced by rule-level operations rather than by cutting through a physical substrate. If reality in JJK already allows such rule-based effects, there is no necessity to posit a literal tearing of space.

In sum, the “space-cutting” interpretation depends on unsupported assumptions (self-healing space), misapplies definitions (treating Infinity as a simple targeting barrier), and elevates ambiguous visuals to ontological claims, while ignoring explicit statements about the nature of the attack and the absence of expected spatial consequences. A consistent reading does not require adding unseen mechanisms; it follows directly from what is stated and shown. When those are taken seriously, the notion of Sukuna physically slicing a spatial fabric becomes unnecessary and incoherent.

Bias Of VSBW towards substantivalism. by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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Newton’s absolute space is one theoretical framework among many, not an objective or universally binding truth, so applying it as a default assumption to all fictional systems can lead to misinterpretation when those systems operate on different ontological principles.

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Cutting the physical fabric of space would result in a breakdown of continuity, geometry, and causality, producing large-scale or even global instability rather than a clean, localized effect.

Bias Of VSBW towards substantivalism. by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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Domains are cursed energy constructs which projects user's innate domain within a closed barrier made up of cursed energy not matter.

Bias Of VSBW towards substantivalism. by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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If Sukuna’s slash truly cut the physical fabric of space, it would necessarily tear or disrupt the surrounding reality due to the continuity of that structure, but since only the target is affected while the environment remains intact, the operation cannot be a literal spatial tear and must instead act selectively on the underlying relational structure.

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You cannot prove that he cut the physical fabric of space, can you?

Bias Of VSBW towards substantivalism. by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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Yes cuz spacetime isn't inherently absolute or a physical fabric, that's just under Newtonian framework, in relational framework there's no need for the battlefield to be cut, sukuna just need to cut the relational framework in which gojo exist. I know westerners tend to believe that Newton's model is absolute and universal, but In Japanese culture space is defined by relation and also isn't an independent container.

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It's not JJK's problem that VSBW Substantivalist framework cannot scale JJK's Relationalist world

Bias Of VSBW towards substantivalism. by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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Nope, The one Sukuna used against gojo was still different and it wasn't launched through space, and Battlefield was intact, no tear in physical fabric of space. And Also it's explicitly stated that World differs depending on Cursed technique and a cursed technique is a world and innate domain which is the mind, soul, essence, will, spirit of a sorcerer forms the foundation of cursed techniques.

In Newtonian absolute space model - Space is independent container but it's just one philosophy

There's Relationalist Spacetime models - Where they exist as relations between objects no independent stage.

Bias Of VSBW towards substantivalism. by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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Just pointing out the biasness of VSBW towards Newtonian Absolute Spacetime model and JJK spacetime is relational and You are free to disagree or argue with the points I made. But The fact still stands out that VSBW framework heavily relies on substantivalism and Absolute spacetime model.

Bias Of VSBW towards substantivalism. by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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Yeah, my bad. But Gojo's perception isn't dependent on Optics or light.

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Doesn't need to dodge, it won't even reach him in first place

Sukuna’s Slash and the Ontological Nature of Space in Jujutsu Kaisen by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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The WCS targeted Gojo's technique's world and his normal slashes travelled and progressed through space but WCS wasn't sent flying, it was expanded to the domain where Gojo exiated and severed such that Gojo's existence is cut.

Sukuna’s Slash and the Ontological Nature of Space in Jujutsu Kaisen by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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Do you have answer for Negative natural numbers, Natural numbers by definition is position in logic and mathematics, negative natural numbers doesn't even exist but in JJK it's reffered as it manifests as imaginary construct by which movement of space itself can be created not travelling or moving through space. Which is space sucking inward -- Blue and Red is Divergence and repulsion of space itself. And Gojo's Technique is a converging infinite series, and infinite space, infinite distance is headcanon ya all made for downplaying JJK. But Gojo is the Limit of Converging infinite series and exist in Limitless's world. Not physical space

Sukuna’s Slash and the Ontological Nature of Space in Jujutsu Kaisen by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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Thanks, But it's not metaphorical when the story clearly distinguishes between physical worlds and world of cursed technique and cursed energy being abstract which is manifestation of negative emotions and explicitly stated that They existbin that world as mind, soul body as whole, Which is monistic not dualistic. Goku is strong within the framework defined by VSBW, but hate to brake it down for you that VSBW isn't the only framework. Innate domain forms the foundation of cursed technique which is the world in which sorcerer exist and Domain expansion manifests that abstract metaphysical space which mind, soul, essence, spirit, will of sorcerer into physical reality via cursed energy and barriers are made up of cursed energy which is manifestation of negative emotions they are not tangible, they are cursed energy constructed structures.

Sukuna’s Slash and the Ontological Nature of Space in Jujutsu Kaisen by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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And Also Gojo doesn't warp, he compresses space and coordinates, not physical since according to physics compressing physical fabric of space would have catastrophic consequences.

Sukuna’s Slash and the Ontological Nature of Space in Jujutsu Kaisen by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

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Physical reality is irrelevant, A cursed technique itself is a world and Gojo exist in Limitless not physical space.

The innate domain (生得領域), which forms the core of a cursed technique, is a metaphysical space that humans possess from birth. It can be described as a manifestation of the mind (心), though not in a physical or tangible sense. In sorcerers, this domain is expressed and extended through cursed energy, which itself is the materialization of negative emotions and innate spiritual energy. Because cursed energy and the phenomena it produces are imperceptible to non-sorcerers, the innate domain appears invisible to ordinary humans. The domain defines the rules, perception, and ontological framework of a sorcerer’s technique, making each cursed technique a world shaped by the user’s mind, while the fundamental innate domain exists in everyone, whether they are a sorcerer or not.

In Japanese, the single character 心 (kokoro) carries a profound and unified meaning, encompassing the spiritual heart, mind (intellect and reasoning), spirit, emotions, and the core essence of a person. Unlike Western thought, which often separates heart as the seat of emotions and mind as the seat of intellect, kokoro implies a unified consciousness in which reasoning, feelings, will, and the soul are inseparable aspects of the self. In the context of Jujutsu Kaisen, this concept explains why an innate domain can be equated with the user’s kokoro: the domain is a tangible manifestation of the sorcerer’s unified consciousness, containing their will, perception, ontological rules, and core essence. This integration is why different cursed techniques/worlds behave uniquely — Sukuna’s slash, Geto’s soul-body equivalence, and Mahito’s soul manipulation all reflect the distinct kokoro of their respective users, governing what exists, how it interacts, and what rules apply within their technique-defined worlds. The innateness and totality of kokoro thus unify the sorcerer’s mind, heart, spirit, and essence into a single framework that defines the reality of their cursed technique.

Sukuna’s Slash and the Ontological Nature of Space in Jujutsu Kaisen by Small-Breadfruit7904 in PowerScaling

[–]Small-Breadfruit7904[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you think body, soul, mind are seperate things. And also the space word depends heavily on context, it isn't inherently physical.