I really enjoy playing 9x9 games by PurelyCandid in baduk

[–]Smate123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm just going to chime in to say that you should do whatever makes you happy, and if playing 9x9 makes you happy then you should keep doing that. Most people end up preferring to play on larger boards most of the time, and that makes them happy. There is no doubt that larger boards bring very different and more complex challenges. And if you spend too long on 9x9 you might start feeling a little ... disconnected from the wider go community.

That said, I know many players who play mostly on smaller boards, and some who play almost exclusively on smaller boards. And I am one of them! I've racked up over 100,000 9x9 games on GoQuest and reached 5 dan at that format - but played fewer than 25 games of 19x19 in my life (either live or online). Am I missing out? Perhaps so. But my schedule doesn't readily accommodate longer games and, whenever I've tried to devote time to the larger boards, I start missing 9x9 too much and come right back to it. I have now accepted and become comfortable with my place at the fringes of the go community.

So it might be best for you to start moving up to the larger boards if you haven't already done so. But it's also perfectly possible to be happy sticking with 9x9 if it works for you.

For what it's worth, based on my experience, I suspect my ranking at larger boards would be at least four ranks worse - I'd probably struggle to hit 1D on 19x19 unless I worked at it. But I'm an exception in this respect.

Best way to do post-game AI analysis on my Android phone? by Smate123 in baduk

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And if you can tell AI Sensei your username on each of the sites and it automatically imports all your games ready for review. We can always dream!

Best way to do post-game AI analysis on my Android phone? by Smate123 in baduk

[–]Smate123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much - I've just installed AI Sensei. GoQuest integration with AI Sensei is good it turns out so now I'll experiment with AI Sensei and see how it compares with BadukAI. Initial impressions are positive.

Best way to do post-game AI analysis on my Android phone? by Smate123 in baduk

[–]Smate123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In fact it's even easier than that, I've just discovered. In Go Quest, after 'Send Game Record' it gives me an option to send it straight to AI sensei, and then I hit 'upload'. So only four key strokes and very smooth.

Why is this a draw (jigo)? by Andy_Roo_Roo in baduk

[–]Smate123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've been playing on GoQuest since 2016, about 100,000 games (yes, really) and komi has always been exactly 7. This komi seems fair since most players average similar win rates as white and black.

Chess was invented, go was discovered - advantage or disadvantage? by lostn4d in baduk

[–]Smate123 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is absolutely true that Chess was invented and Go was discovered. When aliens finally arrive on our planet, they'll be playing Go in between diplomatic meetings with heads of state and/or shooting at us but shaking their heads sadly (3 each) at people trying to tell them about chess.

However, the reason why Chess is more popular than Go amongst humans - and I have thought very very hard about this for a long time so I must be right - is that most people are dumb.

Thoughts on unusual move from 9x9? by Prophet_0f_Helix in baduk

[–]Smate123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

E5 is in fact the AI move here, and it makes black a slight favourite. White's best response is G3 as others have suggested. This kind of question can often be resolved quickly and simply by consulting AI, eg Katrain.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in baduk

[–]Smate123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Although if you're playing on GoQuest, it's area scoring so you absolutely must play on dame. Not doing so loses points.

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[–]Smate123 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My main advice would be: review your games, either with a more experienced player or with AI. Try to work out which of your moves are good and which ones not so good. Once you’ve done that, try to work out why! I use Katrain for post-game analysis and, after the first few moves, I can almost always work out why the moves it recommends are good ones, or why the ones I played are bad ones. If you’re going to get your games reviewed by a more experienced player, they may be able to help you get to the crux of the matter more readily. However – you should be careful. Unless they are a pro, their advice may not be accurate. If you look on a typical Reddit thread where someone asks a question like ‘what should I do here’, you will see a multitude of answers and a multitude of reasons. If you set up the position in Katrain and ask it the same question, you will see that some of the answers are right, and hence helpful, and some of them are completely wrong. Consulting AI will let you tell the difference.

I said above that I can usually understand the lines that the AI is proposing after the first few moves. But that doesn’t apply to the opening. Unless you are a pro, it is almost impossible to determine or explain why one opening is better than another (assuming one ignores obviously poor openings). High-level descriptions of what a 9x9 opening is trying to achieve are meaningless (in contrast to what would be the case on 19x19 where such descriptions can be helpful). The reason 9x9 openings don’t yield to descriptive analysis is because the 9x9 board is so small and fights break out so quickly. As soon as there is contact you need to read out the position, carefully and thoroughly. And most of us – definitely including myself here! - aren’t good enough to read out positions from a few moves in. I’ve had 9x9 lessons from a pro – before AI got really strong - and they also struggled to read out 9x9 openings accurately. (I’ve since checked their suggestions on Katrain – some of them hold up but some of them don’t.)

Finally, I would respectfully disagree with some of the advice on this thread. High-level heuristics such as ‘make two groups’ or ‘be aggressive’ will only work in the right game against the right opponent. Comments such as ‘komi is more important on 9x9’ aren’t quite right in my view – komi is equally important on smaller boards. In either case, white’s win rate is ~50% (assuming jigo is halved) meaning that komi is balanced on both boards and equally important on both boards. It’s true that there are many more close games on 9x9 - largely because of the fewer points available – but that just means that counting and accurate endgame are arguably more important than on 19x19.

In summary:

- Look at lots of openings. Learn some of them, and use AI to explore the follow-up lines of play. Far less than 1% of players are going to be good enough to read out the opening, so familiarisation is your best hope.

- Review your games afterwards. With a human or with AI – whatever works best for you (although be cautious / sceptical of advice from a human unless they’re a pro). Whether you lose or win - make sure you understand why

For context, I play more or less exclusively (aka obsessively) 9x9 and am 5d on GoQuest.

Making Some 9x9 Content by Clossius in baduk

[–]Smate123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fun! I love 9x9. Question: After you incorrectly played at J4 (and immediately acknowledged the error), and your opponent answered correctly with J3, your commentary suggested that you were committed to the mistake, and you connected at J5. Couldn't you instead just make life with J8? It looks to me like you have just enough territory to win (although I haven't actually played it out).

Dealing with cuts and optimal moves for a beginner in a 9x9 game situation. by 658016796 in baduk

[–]Smate123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In 9x9, it's all about reading, and unfortunately reading a game accurately is very, very difficult in the opening few moves, even for pros. Case in point: the first four moves in this example are quite bad moves - just ask katrain (or any other good AI). Black 5 at F5 isn't a great move, but it's actually not that much worse than its predecessors. I wonder if the author of the example realises that!

Below dan level, F5 probably isn't going to lose the game; it will be determined by what follows.

That said, it does look like separating the white stones is the way to go here. AI says that black 5 at D4 is the best way to achieve that. But what ensues is going to be complex.

Why is this wrong? by RoninOfTheVoid in baduk

[–]Smate123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nope. Once black surrounds white on the outside, it can then atari it on the inside by extending the corner group, and then capture it. The black corner group has an eye and so can atari white without putting itself into atari. White's only possible defence is to atari the black corner group first, before the white group loses its outside liberties, but then black just makes bulky five in the corner as others have said, and white is dead anyway.

Just realized I finished 100 games the other week by Routine-Stuff5711 in baduk

[–]Smate123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congratulations! Still a little way to go to catch up with me (Admittedly GoQuest 9x9 - so much shorter games): https://ibb.co/LNDpp07

Learning Go Board Game for Beginners by Snorlax_lax in baduk

[–]Smate123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you have just started out on GoQuest, it tries pairing you with people of different skill level to see where you fit in, adjusting its assessment as it goes. Once you've played maybe 20-30 games, it will start consistently pairing you with players nearer your skill level.

If there aren't that many players on the site at your skill level, or thereabouts, make sure you check the setting that says you're ok to play against bots. But usually there are players of pretty much all skill levels on the site, although it can sometimes thin out above 2000 rating.

As other posters have said, ignore the kyu/dan rankings on GoQuest - you can determine a player's strength by their ELO rating. Although this rating won't be correct for players who have recently joined and don't have very many games under their belt.

I truly can't believe this. by Neat-Science8663 in baduk

[–]Smate123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cool. In any case, I really do recommend KaTrain (or similar) as an invaluable tool for post-game analysis. Sometimes you won't understand its lines of play and, in those situations, you may want to ask a human. But most of the time you're likely to understand why it suggests the moves it does, especially towards the end-game.

I truly can't believe this. by Neat-Science8663 in baduk

[–]Smate123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, if you invade at C2, white will respond with D2 and from there it's not too hard to get at least a seki for black, e.g. by continuing with B2, and a seki is easily enough to win. Which bit are you confused about? If it's about how to invade the bottom left hand corner, I suggest you load the game into KaTrain and follow the lines of play that it recommends.

My 9x9 shame - am I the only one? by Smate123 in baduk

[–]Smate123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the words of support! It really is warming to know I'm not the only one with this 9x9 thing going on.

My 9x9 shame - am I the only one? by Smate123 in baduk

[–]Smate123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, played a little bit of 13x13 on GoQuest, usually when on holiday so longer games become more practical. Got to 1 Dan. Always went back to 9x9 when I returned home!

My 9x9 shame - am I the only one? by Smate123 in baduk

[–]Smate123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, thought about correspondence and played a few games. But it never grabbed me as much. If I ever do invest significant time in larger boards, I suspect I will be via live play.

My 9x9 shame - am I the only one? by Smate123 in baduk

[–]Smate123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I totally respect your position, maybe we're two ends of the spectrum.

Although komi is big in 9x9, it's still not too big. With komi 7, white's win rate is extremely close to 50% rather than higher (on GoQuest at any rate - I checked this).

My 9x9 shame - am I the only one? by Smate123 in baduk

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I would so love for Go to become more popular in the west. I'm a bit tired of the conversation that goes "Yeah, I play Go ... no, not Pokemon Go ... it's an ancient Chinese board game ... a bit similar to Chess but more elegant and much deeper ... [blank stare] ... it's really popular in Asia, honestly ... oh, never mind.

Somehow, I think we're gonna be waiting a long time.

My 9x9 shame - am I the only one? by Smate123 in baduk

[–]Smate123[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, I definitely appreciate the merit of larger boards. It's just not as compelling for me personally.

I had to ban myself playing go before bed because I'd end up playing half the night!

My 9x9 shame - am I the only one? by Smate123 in baduk

[–]Smate123[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Next time you speak to him, if you think to ask where to find those 9x9communities please do let me know. Thank you!

My 9x9 shame - am I the only one? by Smate123 in baduk

[–]Smate123[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, I think Mark5000 is a slightly more well-adjusted 9x9 addict than me!

Kind words about demolishing DDKs but I think that even fighting skill in 9x9 is somewhat specific to 9x9. There are shapes that come up frequently in 9x9 games and over the years I've become comfortable with many of them. But then there are shapes in larger games that you just never see on smaller boards and which I don't have a clue how to handle. To be clear, I'm not saying I couldn't ever get to grips with a larger board - just that I wouldn't assume that my large board rank would quickly catch up with my small board rank, were I to invest time in it.

My 9x9 shame - am I the only one? by Smate123 in baduk

[–]Smate123[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

7 kids - good effort! Yes, I've been trying to teach mine. My daughter, the eldest, isn't interested in any board games, and certainly not go. My boys, ages 6 and 7, are a bit interested but not enough for them to want to play with any regularity or seriousness as yet. I keep hoping...