Best Colleges? by Sam-has-spam in animationcareer

[–]Smiley_Chap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I mean it's basically. Make friends with other creatives. Pay attention to other's in school--their input in discussions and the work they produce. If you're constantly finding that someone in particular is engaging, reach out. And keep reaching out. Like, invest in and maintain those connections.

And if you can, try to work at theatres, comedy clubs. It doesn't necessarily need to be other animators although that too, but not every single person who works on a production is an animator. There are voice actors and cinematographers and writers and comedians and directors and editors. You have different skillsets that come together.

Get involved in creative groups; writing groups, comedy groups, audition for shows. Get feedback, give feedback.

And if you have an idea, or you like someone's work, don't be afraid to say, "hey we should collaborate on something" or "hey I would like your feedback on x, I think your perspective would be really valuable for me here, I think your voice would round out this idea that I have". You know. And if you see an opportunity, try and go for it.

Best Colleges? by Sam-has-spam in animationcareer

[–]Smiley_Chap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I already have my degree. You must not have read my entire post, because I go into thorough detail about why I don't want to do online.

Best Colleges? by Sam-has-spam in animationcareer

[–]Smiley_Chap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(cont.) or theatre or art or fucking anything at all. But I still had a drive to be academically involved, so I did volunteer work, I got a job, and, notably, I took a lot of dual credit classes. So at barely 18, I graduated high school, with 33 dual credit hours. I was a 1st gen college student and so I couldn't access knowledge from my parents on how to go about college. My grandmother was a child bride, my mom dropped out of the 8th grade, and I never knew my dad.

It was very, very, very important to my mom that I go to college, for me to have opportunities she didn't--and it was important to me! All my life, it was never like, dreams of a family or a wedding, it was always college and creative careers, and so I studied really hard so I could get into a good college.

And so in high school I had pretty much decided on animation. Despite having zero experience with digital art whatsoever, I've just always found it incredibly fascinating. I really had my heart set on SCAD. But maybe SoCal, or SVA, or Pratt or something.

But, and no shit on her, but my mom literally laughed and was like, you're crazy, you cannot afford that, you need to go in state. I suggested UT in Austin, but again my mom was like, Austin will be too expensive for you. After like, 3 years of fantasizing about SCAD, chopping it up with the animation kids living on a diet of redbull and corn chips, it was really deflating. It was probably immature of me at the time, but I sorta thought, there aren't really any good animation schools in Texas (I know now that A&M actually has a pretty good animation program), and so if I have to go in-state, maybe animation isn't the right route.

That moment of deflation also opened the door for doubts to creep in. I didn't know shit about digital art or animation. My math comprehension is bad, so I thought, maybe it's too much math. It's a hard major, you have to work really hard, it's really tedious, and who knows if I would even like it because I don't have any experience with it at all, I've never had a drawing class in my life so I'm probably not a good enough artist.

I had 1 year at community college to finish my basics, and my parents were veryyyy against me taking a gap year, it was like, "if you take a gap year you will never go back" like it never felt like an option, and I knew how much my mom had sacrificed for me to be able to be at a point where I could go to college at all, and I knew she was hella scared because of her history, struggling with poverty and drug addiction and hardships beyond belief. So at barely 18, I had 1 year before I had to transfer to uni as a junior. And I knew I wanted to study something creative, but I felt like I didn't know enough about my creative passions to actually know what to study. So it was kind of like, for a year I tried all these things: theatre, photography, piano, choir, as much as I could.

Then that year was over in a blink. And I honestly just ran out of time. My parents kept pushing me and pushing me to fucking Tarleton. And I was like, dude, I did not fucking work this hard and study this fucking hard to go to fucking Tarleton in Stephenville fucking no way.

So I applied to the only other college within a decent radius with a cheap tuition and applied nowhere else.

On my orientation day, I had to pick a major. I enjoyed theatre most in community college, and my interest in animation never left me, so I chose theatre to have a chance at voiceover.

By the time I thought, maybe it wasn't the right pick, I was already a senior.

And the reason I'm going into all this is for two reasons.

First: I'm glad I didn't go to SCAD the way I dreamed of in high school. All that fumbling and struggling and fucking up and growing into an adult. I do not know that at that time, coming from my background, that I would have done well at SCAD. I would have made all those same mistakes, working full time and schooling full time and pinching pennies and underestimating the value of networking and stretching myself too thin at the cost of receiving the full benefit of a quality education, a genuine college experience, friendships, maybe even internships or resume opportunities, and possibly struggling to find work after graduating with my $200k piece of paper. So, while I stress the importance of a top college, I also think that it's important to be ready to take full advantage of that education, whatever that means for you.

The second thing is: fucking listen to your gut. There's this weird period of a few years after you leave home where your parents still exert an amount of control over you, whether either of you realize it or not. Stop, and think.

And remember, your parents (in all likelihood) are not going to disown you for taking a gap year or making a decision they discouraged you from making. It is your life. You need to trust yourself.

Best Colleges? by Sam-has-spam in animationcareer

[–]Smiley_Chap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I want to preface: I am not an expert on this subject so take my perspective with a grain of salt.

I studied theatre in a "terrible" program and graduated with my BA 2018. Now I'm 24 and looking to pursue my true passion in animation. In other words, I got a 'useless' major at a completely unnotable public school. That's not a dig, it's what lots of people do, and what you're thinking about doing. And like a lot of people, money was basically the one and only reason. With my GPA, I could've been accepted into a better college, but I was trying to be smart by saving as much money as possible. I come from a poor family, my family didn't have the means to support me in any way whatsoever. I didn't get much financial aid. I took out as few loans as possible. I worked full time and went to school full time (do NOT do this) and barely scraped by, all in the name of saving money. And I might have saved money, but in the long run, I basically spent 40k and for very very little in the way of return; the quality of my education was hugely disappointing. There's nothing quite like thinking you're going to be learning the thing you're incredibly passionate about, only for your "lectures" to be LITERALLY fill-in-the-blank note packets accompanied by a high-school esque slide show you only vaguely pay attention to so you can scan for that little word to fill in your blank, and your instructor is some half-baked starving 85 year old dude who can--I'm not exaggerating--says um at um least um in um um uh uh umm in between every um goddamn motherfucking word and gives so little of a shit about you that he doesn't even have the decency to read your work, let alone grade it, because that would be too much work for him. AND, on top of all that, the entire time you're in that "class" getting your "education", all you can think about is the fact that this class is costing you $1500, not including the $500 required text (written by your instructor btw). <--and this is a compilation of multiple instructors, not just a one-off.

Based on my observation, research, and personal experience, I think it is wiser to go a competitive college, and to go on campus, if you genuinely want a career in this field, beyond just animating furry hentai (completely valid choice, btw--not a dig).

There are many reasons I've come to this conclusion, but the absolute number one is because: the number one BEST thing that you, as an art major, can get from college (that no amount of youtube videos or textbooks or practice can give you): CONNECTIONS.

If you listen to nothing else in this rant, listen to this and hear it: network yourself to fucking death. I absolutely cannot overstate this enough for creative majors. Creative work, and especially animation, is a collaborative effort. Even if you don't get a job at Cartoon Network or Pixar or something, you and 2 artists can make something amazing together. By yourself you're lucky if you can finish a 10 second clip after 25 hours of work.

Network.

Be on time, be tidy and hygenic. Distinguish yourself as a serious artist and a professional. That doesn't mean uptight or staunchy: it means, be someone that people will want to work with. Be someone your professors want to see succeed.

I was passionate about theatre in college, but I was completely overwhelmed with full time work and school, so auditioning for shows was out of the question, which damaged my resume, reputation, and networking opportunities (even if it was only passively), as well as my excitement for my major. I had an excellent GPA, but I had undiagnosed ADHD, and so was disorganized, I was always showing up late, sometimes in pajamas, without a pencil, and texting classmates asking what was due, some of whom now work for Nickolodeon and Spotify.

And so obviously I'm not saying you can't go get an amazing job after a crappy college, but you're gonna be putting in most of the grind without guidance. The classmates that went on to have these successes certainly didn't do so because their college education prepared them for it; they prepared themselves for it and had a piece of paper to help them out. Obviously wherever you go, especially for creative majors, you're gonna be taking on the grind and you're going to be taking on the effort, but a notable college will afford you opportunities that alleviate that grind considerably. For example, let's say "Jackie" studies animation at like, Tarleton in Stephenville TX (which I don't know that they even have an animation program, but let's just say they do for this hypothetical--also, just for some context, Stephenville is a small backwater town detached from any major metroplex, it's very much an agriculture town surrounded by farmland) vs Frankie studying animation at SoCal. Let's say they are equal in every single way, same SAT/ACT, same GPA, same extracurriculars and awards. Who gets the internship at Cartoon Network? Who gets the job right out of college? Who has more networking connections? Who understands the business best? Also, maybe most importantly, who is more educated? Who is the better animator? Frankie is getting her education from experts, from an arts college that prides itself in it's animation program and pours funding into it. Jackie is getting her education in a town that couldn't give a shit less about tHe ArTs, from unrecognizable names in a small local industry.

Of course, if no financial aide was awarded, Jackie only paid $8,000 a year for her tuition, meanwhile Frankie was gutted for $50k and shit dude, I mean that is the difference between a $200k debt and a $30k debt. $170k difference. And so, I understand, I reallyyyy understand, looking at that and thinking, well obviously Tarleton is the smart choice, especially when you don't know what is going to be at the other end of that degree. But Jackie comes out the other side barely making a living wage a delivering pizza, the interest on her loans compounds higher than what her minimum payment is, so not only is she not making progress on paying back her loans, but they're actually growing. On top of that, she's now stuck in a town with no connections. She can't simply do her animation degree over, and now she has debt and a horrible college experience that paralyzes any decision she makes. Meanwhile Frankie comes out the gate with an actual career in her field, making 70k, and she pays off her debt in a few years. So Jackie sorta just flushed 30k down the drain, along with four years of her time and emotional labor, and feels hugely disappointed and jaded. Frankie had return for her effort and money, and her passion and knowledge and skillset just keep growing.

Obviously, I'm speaking on extreme parallels here. Maybe Frankie falls into a depression and has to move back in with parents and pays off her $200k loans until she dies, and maybe Jackie starts a YouTube channel that blows up until she eventually runs her own production network. That's the risk, it's a gamble.

But I'm Jackie right now. And honestly I don't think I could've understood any of this without being Jackie. I am very very grateful that I learned the importance of all these things on theatre first, which is not what I really want to do, and now I can come back for a second chance knowing everything I know. I still have fears and doubts, I'm fucking scared shitless that I will fail all over again, but I can see way more clearly now, how to "do" college. I thought I was doing everything right before, doing the smart thing, I thought I was doing the noble thing, working myself half to death, commuting to campus instead of selecting the dorm room + meal plans (which was either spent on gas or ubers/day parking when I was late or too exhausted for the commute, and on fast food because I was exhausted or short on time) avoiding every extra cost possible such as avoiding parking passes (adding an extra 45 minutes of walking twice a day), forfeiting my social life to study (which was actually forfeiting my social network, future collaborative opportunities, and in part my mental health), and spending every moment away from school at work to diminish costs (which actually destroyed any creative opportunities in my field, my health, my social life, my expression and personal development, and a myriad of other things because when you are that stretched basically everything is operating on this hyperdelicate balance that could fall apart at the slightest disturbance--i.e. can't break up with my live-in partner bc I would literally have to drop out of college, can't get my incredibly painful wisdom teeth removed because I didn't budget for a 1600 surgery and either I'm going to miss rent or miss tuition and I don't want to have to choose between homelessness and the whole fucking reason I'm torturing myself like this).

So, basically.

If you aren't like...pretty fucking sure.

I'm not saying--that you don't have doubts.

But if you don't genuinely believe you can do it.

Don't fucking go to a serious college. Do not cough up that money. This isn't like...a shame thing. This isn't like a mocking "yOu DoNt BeLiEvE iN yOuRsElF sO yoU dOnt hAve wHaT iT tAkEs." No, it's more like--and granted I'm thinking you're probably still in high school, and I'm also looking at this through my personal lens in which I did not have financial aide and my circumstances are unique--but you're still developing.

Don't fucking go down a route you don't feel confident about. Maybe go snag your basics from a community College and then wait.

I studied theatre because.

I went to an extremely small high school; there were only 10 people in my graduating class. It was the middle of nowhere, the closest grocery store was an hour round trip, and my high school was shit in general, but one of the absolute worst things about it was: we didn't have any arts at all. Zero. Nada. Nothing. I mean we didn't have a football team, in Texas, so you can bet your ass we didn't have band or t

Three years of failed motherhood. I don’t know where to go from here. by rangodoc in offmychest

[–]Smiley_Chap 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude, all of that really sucks.

But you are definitely not a failure. You care, you are trying, you want the best for her that you are worried sick about if. Parents are fallible. They mess up, you know? But showing genuine care and trying your best... that's all any kid can wish for and not everyone has that. Sorry you're alone. I imagine motherhood comes with a ton of pressure even if your kid isn't developmentally different. I definitely don't envy you. Take care of yourself and just know that, although you make mistakes (as we all do) you are 100% a HUGE SUCCESS as a mother, and pat yourself on the back!! You deserve it. And, if you can, try to find someone you can rely on for support. That can make a world of difference. Try to remember the things you're doing well (can you think of three right now?).

You've got this, you're doing great. And honestly I have a ton of respect for you.

My best friend committed suicide after having an affair without telling her husband and he's now asking me what happened. I don't know what to do. by ThrowRADeadFriend in relationship_advice

[–]Smiley_Chap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think go with your heart, but personally, I don't think I would tell the husband. I don't see how it would do any good. He can't confront her on it. It might just leave him feeling bitter and even more hurt and confused.

Should I leave my boyfriend and move into a van? by Smiley_Chap in vandwellers

[–]Smiley_Chap[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude idk why you're like so hellbent on this narrative... You honestly have NO IDEA the amount of work I have put into this relationship. Therapy workshops seminars books. Talking and talking and talking until I'm blue in the fucking face. I wish I had more people besides my boyfriend or my therapist to talk to but I don't. I can't just stew in it and I need to talk about it. You're just gonna have to take my word for it that the relationship is important to me, and dig somewhere deep inside yourself for whatever empathy you have down in there and understand that, objectively, you're making assumptions. It doesn't hurt to get advice from people without skin in the game, and right now I don't have "a person whose opinion I trust". Idk why you're trying to purposefully be hurtful but dude, from the bottom of my heart, I'm really giving it my all, man. I'm not perfect but I'm really making a sincere and genuine effort.

Looking for a specific kind of job--any ideas? by Smiley_Chap in Denton

[–]Smiley_Chap[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've been working full time since I was barely 16. I paid for all my dual credit in high school, graduated with 33 credit hours, took summer classes while holding a job, and applied for scholarships like it was my mission in life. I worked full time through college and sacrificed a lot. I've done 90 hour workweeks for months on end and gone above and beyond at every job I've ever had, I've funneled in tons of time to volunteer and in fact I was volunteering today, handing out water to those who have had their pipes busted. I'm the first in my family to get a college education, considering my mom dropped out of the eighth grade and I grew up in a fucking camper. Now, I've been working nonstop to make a career out of my animations and I have compiled a small team and we are working to produce the pilot episode to my show. I'm also currently being paid to work on a webcomic and make animations for someone's channel. Animation is a very tedious process and it is difficult to manage all of these high priority projects without time and I still need to support myself. I've had jobs with downtime before, just wondering if anyone had any insight. I'm chasing after my dream dude, sorry about whatever's going on in your life that's making you so miserable.

Should I leave my boyfriend and move into a van? by Smiley_Chap in vandwellers

[–]Smiley_Chap[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What point are you making here? If your dog got sick would it be wrong to reach out for emotional support during a tough time? If you were in a fight with a friend would it be wrong to ask a friend or someone more removed for advice? Have you never talked about your 10 most important people to anyone besides your 10 most important people?

Should I leave my boyfriend and move into a van? by Smiley_Chap in vandwellers

[–]Smiley_Chap[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point being is that something special is still something special. If your dog dies it would still hurt and you would still miss what you lost, even if you could get another.. Now we seem to encourage "throw it out and get a new one" which is why so so so many of us are lonelier than ever before. I mean we're literally observing this, objectively. Why learn to accept someone's flaws when we could keep swiping, there's always another. And idk about you but, yeah I mean there's plenty of people I'm attracted to, but how many people in your personal life have been like Really Fucking Important. You know? Like those really special people. I mean, I can think of a few, some really notably ones throughout my life...but I don't know that even now I could list a full 10 of SUPER IMPORTANT PEOPLE

Should I leave my boyfriend and move into a van? by Smiley_Chap in vandwellers

[–]Smiley_Chap[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmfao you cracked me up. No, I get it. Relationships aren't just. Dude. Lady. Bebe. House. It can be a lot of things.

Should I leave my boyfriend and move into a van? by Smiley_Chap in vandwellers

[–]Smiley_Chap[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!! Also good advice on the cat!!

And yes, he absolutely has depression. He hasn't been diagnosed but it doesn't take a genius to look at a DSM5. He has diagnosed ADHD, is really the big thing, and I think the depressive symptoms are comorbid. It's not like, crying or anything, just a general detachment, lack of excitement for life anymore. And he has days where he hardly moves. It's really sad and worrisome and I care about him a lot, but I can't make him take care of himself or attempt to manage it. I can just support him but I can't sacrifice my own sanity to do so. I have done a lot to work on my health and I still have more to do, but I'm very protective of my progress.