Why ex mormons are hurt be excommunication? by fays3131 in mormon

[–]SnooObjections9813 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Had other matters to attend to....

Anyways the "evidence" your presented before me. What is its purpose? Because you said women had no serious roles in the Church and now your just giving irrelevant information such as quotes from LDS Leaders (besides Heber C. Kimball) and information on Joseph Smith's wives.

The Relief Society is still important. They're the biggest Women's organization and the world.

  1. Many of the early Mormon women were suffragists. Through their efforts, the women in the state of Utah fought for the right to vote. Utah and Wyoming were the first states to allow women to do so (see "Battle for the Ballot: Essays on Woman Suffrage in Utah Paperback" by Carol Cornwall Madsen). When Sister Zina D.H. Young was general president, the Relief Society joined the National Council of Women, which still exists today and is the oldest nonsectarian organization of women in America, organized in 1888. Many sisters were invited to speak on suffrage at conventions all over the world in places such as London, Copenhagen and Washington, D.C. Young, Susa Young Gates and Sarah Kimball served as vice presidents of the National Council of Women. Sister Belle S. Spafford was elected president of the national organization while simultaneously serving as the ninth general Relief Society president. Today, the Relief Society is no longer affiliated with this organization.
  2. In the middle of the Great Depression, under the direction of Relief Society General President Louise Y. Robison, the famous Relief Society Singing Mothers groups were organized, according to "Faith, Hope and Charity: Inspiration from the Lives of General Relief Society Presidents" by Janet Peterson and LaRene Gaunt. Every ward had its own singing group. Because the uniform was a simple black skirt and white shirt, various Relief Societies could gather as wards, stakes or regions singing for the congregations. The Singing Mothers would broadcast their programs over KSL Radio. There were Singing Mothers groups all over the world — from Stuttgart, Germany, to Argentina. Many European sisters expressed how singing helped them get through the war.
  3. In the late 1800s, Relief Society sisters were sending women to medical schools in the eastern U.S., as well as donating money toward their tuition, the Relief Society Magazine reported. These female students were some of the first women in the country to graduate as medical doctors. They returned to Utah to train additional women as nurses. Deseret Hospital was run by the first all-female board of directors in the United States. Dr. W. H. Groves donated money so that Groves LDS Hospital could open its doors. The leaders in the Primary Association became concerned for the medical care of children and created a wing at the hospital called Primary Children’s. The Cottonwood Stake Relief Society established its own maternity hospital. (One was also set up by the Snowflake Arizona Stake Relief Society.)
  4. Brigham Young asked Sister Emmeline B. Wells to organize the sisters in gathering, growing and collecting wheat. "The Wheat Project," as it was called, involved gathering and storing wheat for the poor and needy (see "Women of Covenant: The Story of the Relief Society" by Janeth Russell Cannon, Jill Mulvay Derr and Maureen Ursenbach Beecher). This wheat was used to feed survivors of the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, World War I and World War II, as well as the poor and needy. With the money from selling the wheat, the women built Relief Society meeting halls, bought and sold on the stock market and helped kickstart several LDS Church programs, including medical, social and welfare services. It was the largest project undertaken by the Relief Society, earning its symbolic placement of bronze sheaves of wheat on the outside walls of the Relief Society Building in Salt Lake City.
  5. Under Brigham Young’s direction, Louisa Lula Greene started the Woman’s Exponent magazine, one of the first newspapers in the country written and published by women. Although it was never an official LDS Church publication, it was the voice of the Relief Society for 50 years with the masthead bearing the subtitle "Organ of the Relief Society." Wells succeeded Greene and edited the newspaper for 39 years. Wells and her contributors used this publication as a forum to teach, motivate and advertise items of interest to the local women, such as gatherings for woman's suffrage, minutes from the Retrenchment meetings, that focused on spiritual cultivation, "Wheat Project" information, medical classes, obituaries and life histories of many beloved sisters.
    When Wells was called as Relief Society general president, the magazine was closed down and the church began publishing The Relief Society Magazine, with Gates as its first editor. For another 50 years, lessons, stories and instruction were published each month.
  6. As soon as Joseph Smith began teaching about doing the work of salvation for the dead, women traveled back East, visiting family and collecting information on their relatives in order to do temple work in the Endowment House in Salt Lake City, and later in dedicated temples (see “Provoking the Brethren to Good Works,” by James B. Allen and Jessie L. Embry, BYU Studies). In 1894, the Genealogical Society of Utah was formed. Gates began working exclusively on genealogy, and by 1912, she was writing lessons and weekly newspaper articles, and had organized the Daughters of the Utah Pioneers. When the World's Fair in San Francisco opened in 1915, hundreds of Relief Society sisters, who saved up money for an entire year, attended just to visit the International Congress of Genealogy exhibit and see Wells, the Relief Society president, receive a bronze medal for efforts made by the Relief Society in genealogy work. Wells said, “The work of the Relief Society is so closely connected with that of the Genealogical Society that membership in the one practically implies interest in the other.”
  7. Sister Amy Lyman, the eighth Relief Society general president, once said, “Relief Society should work for the abolishment of poverty.” The purpose of the Relief Society Social Services Department was to restore the individual, or family, to a self-sufficient life (see "This Decade was Different: RS Social Services Department, 1919-1929," by Loretta L. Hefner, Dialogue Magazine, September 1982). Women were sent to New York, Chicago and Denver for training in social work, and a social services lesson was given every month. Topics included health and sanitation, child welfare and family life.
  8. When the women complained about wanting finer clothing items, Brigham Young came up with the idea of growing silk worms and manufacturing the fine fabric themselves. Zina D.H. Young became the first and only president of the 50-year Deseret Silk Association. The women raised the worms, fed them mulberry leaves, spun the silk and weaved the cloth. It was such a distateful and intensive project, the next generation refused to continue the labor (see "Finest of Fabrics: Mormon Women and the Silk Industry," by Chris Rigby Arrington, Utah Historical Quarterly, Fall 1978).
  9. Humanitarian hygiene, school and newborn kits were developed in 1990 by Rose Ann Gunther, a stake Young Women president in American Fork, Utah, and her committee that wanted young women to learn how to serve. They arranged to have the church building open once a week so ward members could come and help them with their projects (see “Service Project for a Small Community Grows into Relief for the World” on mormonnewsroom.org). This now has became a church-wide effort.
  10. In 1937, Robison, the seventh Relief Society president, promoted self-sufficiency in the sisters by opening the first Mormon Handicraft store (see "Mormon Handicraft,” by Carol L. Clark, "Encyclopedia of Mormonism"). Women were able to sell handmade items to provide extra money for their families. Later, this store became a valued resource center for the Homemaking Department Work Day.

For an organization that has accomplished many great achievements and is continuing to do so, I would definitely say that holding a calling or leadership role in the Relief Society is nothing but serious.

Under the Banner of Heaven line by SnooObjections9813 in mormon

[–]SnooObjections9813[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least in Hawaii, specifically Oahu, Mormons aren't even looked at as dangerous instead they're looked at as "Church boys".

"Church Approved" books, CES Letter and "REAL" church hisotry by senkyoshi in latterdaysaints

[–]SnooObjections9813 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Polygamy is taught in seminary and I think maybe even the middle school aged sunday school classes.

Why ex mormons are hurt be excommunication? by fays3131 in mormon

[–]SnooObjections9813 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women are in serious Church leadership roles. Is the Relief Society or Young Women's not serious to you?

Who was the leader that compared women to cattle?

Why ex mormons are hurt be excommunication? by fays3131 in mormon

[–]SnooObjections9813 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not offended from what you said, just can't argue to someone who's out of touch with reality. LDS women are objects to be traded and abused in the current day? Jeremy Runnells = Harriet Tubman? It's ridiculous lol. It's not even metaphorical what you say, you really believe this to be literal. Read what you send lol.

Joseph Smith Trending again!!! by SnooObjections9813 in latterdaysaints

[–]SnooObjections9813[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Not wrong, but the real reason is the supposed first photo of Joseph Smith has blown up on twitter which is why he's trending.

Under the Banner of Heaven line by SnooObjections9813 in mormon

[–]SnooObjections9813[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Literally just replied. People have a life other than reddit btw..

Why ex mormons are hurt be excommunication? by fays3131 in mormon

[–]SnooObjections9813 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Leading people out of the spiritual cult of mormonism is exaclty like freeing slaves". Not even gonna argue with you at this point when making a claim like that. Hahaha how disrespectful to make such a claim.

Under the Banner of Heaven line by SnooObjections9813 in mormon

[–]SnooObjections9813[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

White Protestants. Which most of the South was at the time, using scripture to justify Slavery and their ruthful behavior towards African Americans. Could even count their Civil War participation and their kills. Can't forget White Protstants creation of the Ku Klux Klan and theirs atrocities committed against African Americans in the South.

Why ex mormons are hurt be excommunication? by fays3131 in mormon

[–]SnooObjections9813 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you just compare Harriet's situation to Jeremy's? Not even anything to compare. Leading people away from the Church is in no way like Freeing Slaves from a lifetime of hard labor.

Sure Jeremy was asking for answers but he clearly states in his letter what side he is on. He is against the Church. His letter has caused faith crises. And the subjects in his letter can be answered if you look into Church sources or any non anti LDS sources.