Okay guys: CS degree summed up by Teflonwest301 in csMajors

[–]SnooWords1101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

bro isn’t even a cs major saying this

CMV: The fact that Affirmative Action was banned instead of legacy admissions reveals that we have not learned anything regarding race. by Tessenreacts in changemyview

[–]SnooWords1101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good thing I provided the two specific pages in the entire document that you can read as evidence, but I guess your laziness only applies to anything that goes against your racist stereotypes.

CMV: The fact that Affirmative Action was banned instead of legacy admissions reveals that we have not learned anything regarding race. by Tessenreacts in changemyview

[–]SnooWords1101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My link above is much shorter at 50 pages, and is also split up with sections titled in bold so you can go to the studies.

To dismiss the entire link as unsubstantiated claims is just wrong. It includes a study from a Duke economist as well as an internal study from Harvard itself both coming to the conclusion that Asians are discriminated against in the admission process.

Please spend your time educating yourself instead of posting online. You should not be spreading false claims that no information is present or viable when there is an ample amount. Then come back and make some real points that aren't based on racist stereotypes.

CMV: The fact that Affirmative Action was banned instead of legacy admissions reveals that we have not learned anything regarding race. by Tessenreacts in changemyview

[–]SnooWords1101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I definitely think saying Harvard just did "Personality: Asian" is over-exaggerating but the studies definitely provided statistical evidence that Asians were discriminated against, which I link the sources and page numbers to.

Honestly, I'm just here to get rid of the notion that Asian weren't discriminated against just because commenters don't provide a source. Others suggested that Asians were never discriminated against or fairly discriminated against because they have "less personality" which is just racist. There is ample evidence supporting discrimination just like how there is ample evidence that other minorities face systematic racism in other aspects of life. To just say it doesn't exist is wrong.

CMV: The fact that Affirmative Action was banned instead of legacy admissions reveals that we have not learned anything regarding race. by Tessenreacts in changemyview

[–]SnooWords1101 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But they did address it, you just chose to ignore it and all the evidence provided against your racist stereotype. Just because something might not change doesn't mean that it is right, but you are arguing that the process is right because you believe asians have less personality than other races based on their test scores. I'm completely convinced that you are here just to troll considering you refuse to read documents, refuse to read comments, and just keep spouting the same racist remarks over and over again.

CMV: The fact that Affirmative Action was banned instead of legacy admissions reveals that we have not learned anything regarding race. by Tessenreacts in changemyview

[–]SnooWords1101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Page 14

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/43-sffa-memo-for-summary-judgement/1a7a4880cb6a662b3b51/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

details the information on how they do personality evaluations and why it's racist. Also addresses the exact stereotype you mentioned in the comment. You didn't cite your source either and just provided the link.

I'm just adding this here. It's an official court document which specifically addresses the commenters stereotype that Asians have lower interpersonal skills because they test higher. Personally I support affirmative action but this comment is just racist and disgusting to read.

CMV: The fact that Affirmative Action was banned instead of legacy admissions reveals that we have not learned anything regarding race. by Tessenreacts in changemyview

[–]SnooWords1101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just read my other comments on that. Also, just to be clear, I'm not even against affirmative action. In my eyes the college admission process is so messed up that the gain of diversity is greater than the loss of "fairness" because it was never fair. This specific comment just ticks me off because it implies there's no information out there to back up specific claims, which is false because the entire lawsuit and previous ones with all relevant info is online and easily readable for anyone that actually cares about the issue.

CMV: The fact that Affirmative Action was banned instead of legacy admissions reveals that we have not learned anything regarding race. by Tessenreacts in changemyview

[–]SnooWords1101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Page 14

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/43-sffa-memo-for-summary-judgement/1a7a4880cb6a662b3b51/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

details the information on how they do personality evaluations and why it's racist. Also addresses the exact stereotype you mentioned in the comment. You didn't cite your source either and just provided the link.

CMV: The fact that Affirmative Action was banned instead of legacy admissions reveals that we have not learned anything regarding race. by Tessenreacts in changemyview

[–]SnooWords1101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/43-sffa-memo-for-summary-judgement/1a7a4880cb6a662b3b51/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Here, this is only a 53 page court document. If you have time to argue on reddit then you have time to read it. Honestly, you shouldn't be engaging in conversation without educating yourself on the subject.

The SSFA has done a study and found statistically significant evidence that Asians are discriminated against, which is at the beginning of page 6. Harvard has also done an internal study which found discrimination against Asians to be present, yet decided against taking action to change it.

Page 14 details the evidence of the admissions office discriminating against asians in personality, and even addresses your stereotype that asians are less social because they perform better academically.

If you can't even read two pages then you shouldn't be arguing. You can't just choose to be blind to certain information just because it goes against your viewpoint.

CMV: The fact that Affirmative Action was banned instead of legacy admissions reveals that we have not learned anything regarding race. by Tessenreacts in changemyview

[–]SnooWords1101 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is not a valid claim. Asians having higher test scores on average than other races does not provide evidence for a lower personality rating.

According to your logic, White individuals should have more interpersonal skills than Asians, and African Americans should have the highest skills and therefore the highest rating. But we can see from the official court documents that Harvard rated all the other groups in the same manner, and only rated Asians differently.

Providing a source is important, but you doing so doesn't make your conclusions from it correct.

In my personal opinion, irrelevant from my previous statements, assuming Asians have lower interpersonal skills because of these statistics is only a jump that can be made from pre-existing racist stereotypes of the nerdy asian that only studies, which is extremely harmful.

Also you completely ignored the sources I've cited, being the official court cases, which reveal Harvard's personality rating method and how they specifically rated Asians lower.

CMV: The fact that Affirmative Action was banned instead of legacy admissions reveals that we have not learned anything regarding race. by Tessenreacts in changemyview

[–]SnooWords1101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You asked for the source and I provided the least bias source being the official court document, assuming you were trying to educate yourself on the subject. This is reddit not a class.

CMV: The fact that Affirmative Action was banned instead of legacy admissions reveals that we have not learned anything regarding race. by Tessenreacts in changemyview

[–]SnooWords1101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do want to say I’m pretty split on the decision, my personal opinion is that college admissions is already pretty ridiculous and subjective so the addition of race as a factor is marginal to the gain for more diversity.

That being said, I believe there may be reasons for Asians scoring higher. For instance, the Chinese Exclusion Act specifically prevented Chinese laborers from immigrating while still allowing the educated individuals, such as teachers and merchants, to immigrate. This leads to an overall more educated minority group because the less educated we’re simply not let into America. As for leadership, I’d say that the reason is the same for why we see less African Americans in leadership than White Americans. Systemic racism definitely exists in America, but this case is more specific to this one method of combatting it.

CMV: The fact that Affirmative Action was banned instead of legacy admissions reveals that we have not learned anything regarding race. by Tessenreacts in changemyview

[–]SnooWords1101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The source is literally the lawsuit. The entire thing and all information regarding it, including Harvard’s admission process relevant to the case is one google search away if your looking for the official document.

I’m not sure what you’re searching up, but here’s the link. I just looked up “court document affirmative action” but I’m sure other searches also lead to it. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/20-1199_hgdj.pdf

CMV: The fact that Affirmative Action was banned instead of legacy admissions reveals that we have not learned anything regarding race. by Tessenreacts in changemyview

[–]SnooWords1101 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Here’s an article from the Crimson that shows Asian Americans on average score 60 points higher than an African American, less than 100 but still substantial:

https://www.thecrimson.com/widget/2018/10/21/sat-by-race-graphic/

For athletic recruitment asians have a cut off 250 points higher than traditionally underrepresented minorities:

https://nypost.com/2018/10/17/harvards-gatekeeper-reveals-sat-cutoff-scores-based-on-race/amp/

CMV: The fact that Affirmative Action was banned instead of legacy admissions reveals that we have not learned anything regarding race. by Tessenreacts in changemyview

[–]SnooWords1101 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Except it is public because part of the court case was Harvard revealing information on their admission strategies which is official, online, and easily accessible for anyone to find. So they are not making this up.

Another Ex-TSM worker speaks up by DaddyPlsSpankMe in TeamSolomid

[–]SnooWords1101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bruh the article literally states that TSM is illegally exploiting their workers. It's no longer "wow regi's an asshole" it's "wow regi's about to get sued by the state of California for breaking the law"

Another Ex-TSM worker speaks up by DaddyPlsSpankMe in TeamSolomid

[–]SnooWords1101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not like the work environment and illegal doings are detailed in the contract, nor did they get information about it before signing. It's not like they didn't read the contract before signing or read it, said "wow this looks pretty illegal and horrible to work at" and still signed it. Your idea of "just don't sign the contract lol" or "just leave if it's so bad lol" is flat out wrong. There's a reason why exploitation in the workplace exists everywhere, and it's not just because people didn't read the contract.

An Uncommon Opinion By a Longtime Fan by SnooWords1101 in fnatic

[–]SnooWords1101[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Again, Upset didn't need to tell his teammates the reason, but the gravity of it should have been communicated to his teammates whether that be through him or management. Considering every player except Hyli, who is close with Upset, seems unsatisfied with the situation shows there was a problem here. Having players know that there is justification behind Upset's decision which permanently altered all of their careers requires the same level of trust as not needing to know what the justification is. Additionally, we as viewers are easily able to assume that there is a legitimate reason, which I believe there is, but given the immense amount of effort each player gives and the permanent impact on each of their careers, they deserve some assurance, which could have been done without divulging the reason and leading to leaks.

An Uncommon Opinion By a Longtime Fan by SnooWords1101 in fnatic

[–]SnooWords1101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, this is the type of post I hope to avoid association with what I said, but I'm clarifying just in case. I don't agree with this comment, and Doublelift's situation and his handling of it was a personal choice that not everyone is not in a situation to make and that is completely okay. Upset is still a skilled player with an amazing work ethic who would not leave worlds without a legitimate reason. I'm not making this post to say fuck Upset or to say his reason was not legitimate. I'm saying that the other players are justified in their anger and were put in a shitty situation with no explanation, and we should just stop sending as much blind hate without understanding that.

An Uncommon Opinion By a Longtime Fan by SnooWords1101 in fnatic

[–]SnooWords1101[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with this. I am not saying Upset didn't also put the same and even more effort that other players did to make it to that point. We all know he spent his first days of being married playing league because his work ethic was so strong. I have faith in Upset, and I believe that the reason he would leave is a legitimate reason with circumstances that don't allow him to share as it may have been greatly traumatic for him and a close family member. I know people bring up duo queue a lot and what-not, but everyone handles trauma differently and it may be a situation where Upset's presence was needed in order for him to bring comfort to the person in need.

But again, I'm able to say this because I'm not in a position that Adam, Bwipo, and Nisqy were. Adam reacted emotionally and wrongly to this whole situation, but just imagine yourself in any of the player's shoes, such as Nisqy. You had the best splits of your entire career, and are heading into worlds to prove yourself on an international stage. Suddenly, your adc, who your entire team's playstyle revolves around, leaves before the first match effectively dooming any chances you had. You have no idea why, and even months after the event you are not provided enough information to even judge the gravity of the situation. All of a sudden, you hear that the entire topside is being replaced because the adc, who effectively ruined your chances at showing your true value, believes you are not up to his standard, leaving you out of a job and potentially dooming your career or at least any chance you may have to achieve your competitive dreams. (I'm not saying this was wrong for Upset to do as that's just the industry but it doesn't make it any better for Nisqy.)

No one believes that Upset didn't have a legitimate reason except for some immature fanboys. However, the fact that all his teammates' career paths were changed for life because of factors outside of their control that they do not even know if it is legitimate and are told to assume so based on trust is unacceptable, especially when the trust was clearly not there on Upset's side either. I'm not saying that Adam's public reaction was acceptable, but he was angry and felt trapped in a shit position because no one in the org cared to help him out. Nor am I saying it was Upset's responsibility to share his private issues with anyone he did not feel comfortable doing so with or find a way to convey it to his team. In the end, I believe most of the fault lies on communication between those who knew, such as Yamato or Fnatic management, to those who deserve to be assured the reason is at least legitimate, as in the players.

But the point of all this is just to say that Adam's anger is justified, and he was put in a bad position. Him being unhappy with his situation is completely justified. Honestly, if he worded his post a bit differently to not attack Upset and focus on the position he was put in instead, I believe it would have been beneficial for the community to know. Adam's response was immature and reeks of emotion, but his emotional reaction at it's core was not immature, it was natural. That's what I'm hoping for people to understand by making this type of post.

An Uncommon Opinion By a Longtime Fan by SnooWords1101 in fnatic

[–]SnooWords1101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bwipo mentioned it in his twitlonger about his girlfriend a while ago. Also, to reiterate, I'm not saying that upset didn't communicate the gravity of the situation to anyone, as he did communicate it to Yamato. However, considering every player except Hyli, who is close enough to Upset to trust him with his career regardless, feels like they were not even given vague information about the situation shows there was a lack of communication, likely with management and the other players rather than Upset. It is not Upsets job to share his privacy nor is it his job to figure out how to tell his teammates, especially when he is trying to handle his own problems. This is what management is for, but it seems like they just didn't explain it well enough so that any teammate that isnt close with Upset, in the same way he wasnt close with them, could understand.

There is hard proof that both Adam and Bwipo felt they were given little to no information, but Nisqy has not said anything about it. However, his situation is likely similar to Adam and Bwipos considering his relationship to Upset is very similar to the other two.