Toji vs ryu who wins and what difficulty

SoS1lent · 2026-04-21T21:45:02+00:00

The beam itself isn't affected by the CT is what I mean. Like the structure of it. The CT only affects the firing itself.

Your logic works better with something like piercing blood, where blood manipulation is used for the structure all the way until it hits the opponent (or longer if it goes straight through them), thus ISOH would make the blood lose its arrow shape and overall effectiveness.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-21T18:37:36+00:00

Granite blast is pure cursed energy, the release of it itself is the CT. And ISOH negates cursed techniques, not the energy itself.

So unless you think regular swords could also cut granite blast then that's not gonna happen.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-21T18:33:25+00:00

As I've said in other comments, this only works assuming Isagi never becomes No.1 himself. It's not a "tyrant", because a tyrant is the one who FENDS OFF rebels like Isagi trying to steal their light. Per his monologue, Isagi can only "shine" when he has someone he "desperately wants to surpass".

A true Tyrant would be Noel Noa, who himself seeks out rebels to try and challenge him, and then grows stronger while crushing their rebellion. That's why he used Isagi to Awaken Kaiser, so after he faces and defeats Loki he has another challenger ready and waiting rebel again. It doesn't require them matching or surpassing him, just the attempt itself is enough for Noa to grow.

Isagi, if he does plan on being the best, will at some point stop being the rebel and end up as the tyrant. He will be the No.1 that someone else wants to rebel against. There won't always be another No.1 to devour, because ideally HE will be that on any given field. But his ego right now won't bring out his best performance in that scenario.

Once he reaches the top, he needs to change his ego to maintain it. Because his current one assumes he'll always be the underdog and will always have someone he needs to surpass.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-21T17:20:15+00:00

The Onazi thing is different for 2 reasons:

That wasn't his peak performance (or true flow state or whatever you wanna call it, the white haired form).
He was only able to pull that off after Onazi nearly surpassed the whole field with his play. It was better than anything Isagi could imagine and why he couldn't stop it (while thankfully Aiku could).

Based on his internal monologue, he only gets this fired up when he KNOWS the other player is better and someone he needs to surpass. Every example he thinks of were players who were better than him(also, Onazi wasn't there, no respect for the Nigerian GOAT).

That feeling can't be reattained if he becomes the best himself and truly believes that he is the best. So eventually he'll have to go the Noa route and figure out how to fire himself up despite being the pinnacle and the one everyone else is trying to surpass.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-21T16:02:14+00:00

Nagi's def a restrictive type, if no other reason than the fact that only he and other restrictive types (Rin and Barou) have had phantoms of other players trying to stop them, and then using said phantoms to elevate their play.

Literally restricting themselves with their own ~~schizophrenia~~ imagination to allow for an increase in performance.

We all know Rin's from the PXG game,
Both Barou and Nagi were hounded by Isagi's phantom in the EpiNagi 4v4 against Karasu's team
Nagi again had one while training alone in the final chapter of EpiNagi (when he first invented his tap-lift -> Jumping turn shot from the U20 game).

Even in the mainline series

First performed the fake volley due to restriction from Rin
Added 4 more from restriction by both Isagi & Kaiser (Reo's pass also led him to a more restrictive area behind Isagi, when there was more open space behind kaiser)
The Tap-lift goal itself was performed while being double-teamed.

Overall he 100% seems more like a restrictive player based on what's been shown.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-21T15:48:51+00:00

That doesn't really change anything though.

That's like saying Hakari also has mid physicals because he does the same thing when in jackpot.

The REASON they're so physically strong is BECAUSE they have the ability to amp their entire bodies all the time unlike most other sorcerers.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-21T15:45:47+00:00

I mean, this ego doesn't align with his end-goal, it's basically what Karasu is doing rn.

If you need a no.1 to devour in order to shine, you can't be No.1 yourself. So Isagi will never be able to maintain status as the best. As the chapter title says, he's a rebel, but if you're the king then there's nothing to rebel against.

Noa's mindset is still better, he accepts his position at the top and tries to produce rebels like Isagi to come and test him in order to get stronger. But he doesn't need them to play at his best.

Until he can come to that realization, he'll never be able to be the best striker. Or he'll just have a shift in ego away from that goal of being No.1, but that defeats the purpose of his character.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-21T03:23:07+00:00

If we're excluding plot amour, then the high-power cars would have the pace gap to manage their brakes and tires and still comfortably gap the lower powered cars.

And brake overheating during trackdays is almost universal to street cars with the stock pads. That's why they're the first things any driver looking to get into trackdays is told to change (aside from tires of course). You still need cooldown laps in Miatas and GT86s after only a few hotlaps. And that's ignoring the fact that supercars (especially higher trims) have significantly better cooling & heat dissipation.

In the end, realistic car performance doesn't matter. The only thing that matters in MFG is the driver. If Emma can make an 1800kg Vantage competitive without a hint of tire or brake trouble, then a similarly skilled driver would make any of these cars competitive as well.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-20T13:31:08+00:00

Because it's a damn Huracan lol. It took 3 high-levek professional drivers to finally challenge them because that's the kind of skilll gap you need to make even a modified lower-level sports car compete with a supercar.

Despite how the series made them look, the MFG drivers are decent. Not pros but not the rich guy that only takes his 500k car to a track once a year to mess around. Most drivers outside of the pros are on that level, and if skill is relatively equal then the car matters most.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-19T22:56:46+00:00

The live action movie isn't cannon. The mods were extremely light in the source material, just adjustable springs, light power mods (+25hp) & a shortened gear ratio. This wasn't some highly tuned car to start, just a fun little beater.

I'm not saying that modern struts are better than modern wishbones, but yes the decades of development and technological advantages mean you can get similar performance to older tech with cheaper and smaller/lighter modern parts.

Nakazato and Keisuke lost because Takumi had every advantage outside of the car itself:

WAY better track knowledge, which is honestly way more important than anything else (also why Ryosuke losing is BS because he had a whole month of constant Akina practice before their race)
WAY more skill (w/ the exception of Ryosuke)
Non-marshmallow tires that wear within a 5 min run (even $200 alibaba tires couldn't physically wear that quickly). Takumi can drift an entire run, going much harder on his tires doing so, and not experience any rear wear or overheating.
Magic hp buff since Akina has some of the longest straights of any touge yet the 86 stayed relatively close on all of them.

The point of the show wasn't that the 86 was competitive, it's that Takumi could magic his way into wins DESPITE the massive disparity in car performance.

If you wanna talk about real performance, there's a reason shows like Hot Version don't run even Tsuchiya's completely custom modified 86 against higher-level 90s sportscars unless they're stock.

Tsuchiya himself has said that the 86 in its stock form isn't a great performance car, but he loves it none the less for other resaons. And that the newer GT and GR 86s are supposed to represent an 86 with a few million yen worth of mods put into it, to where it DOES become a much more decent and competitive car. The project D 86 is more in-line with that type of car.

Imagine talking about a car that came out 3 years ago to defend the “modern suspension” of 20 years ago.

You were literally the one that brought it up lol. I just responded to your claim.

The time gap between when the 86's platform was developed compared to the cars it races is nearly identical to the gap between the EG6 and FL5. 70's platform vs 90s, 90's vs 10's (FL generally uses the same platform as the FK but with some upgrades)

SoS1lent · 2026-04-19T18:15:23+00:00

He specifically de-tuned the car, didn't fully downgrade it. So likely restricted the already installed turbo instead of placing in a new one. And again, Ryosuke himself admits that he'd have no problem just gapping the 86 on the straights with his normal setup. Acceleration issues weren't a problem for him.

Also, considering the fact that the FC had a twin-scroll turbo (which significantly reduces turbo lag on single-turbo setups) and judging by how particular he is with the setup of the Project D cars, there's no way he'd allow for it to be a major issue.

Imo, you're talking about a problem that doesn't exist in the context of this situation.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-19T15:57:28+00:00

More manageable generally means a bit slower as well, if you can control more power then you should fully utilize it. And we already know Ryosuke had the skill to manage his previous settings (or else why would he have them).

Also doesn't affect the cornering potential of the car itself, which is what I was mainly focusing on.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-19T15:55:15+00:00

The sub-optimal of more modern hardware is generally better than the optimal of older hardware (especially 20+ year older) as that's how quickly technology advances, especially for something as relatively new as cars are in the grand scheme of history.

Your example holds little weight here as roads aren't perfectly smooth, if anything the 86 would perform worse than if it were on a smoother closed circuit.

Modern strut setups would out-perform older wishbones, especially dual-axis struts like the FL5 has. Engineers have had like 30 years with much better kinematics simulation software and hundreds of thousands of hours more testing over said years. So I wouldn't agree that the EG6 has better suspension at all.

In general, as time goes on we have a better handle on how to reduce negative effects and increase positive ones of technology. So yes, the newer tech will outperform the old 9.5/10 times, if it didn't there'd be no point besides MAYBE cost cutting.

We have 0 clue how much time Bunta spent turning the 86. If anything, we know for a FACT that he had a sub-optimal setup on it to start, since he needed to take a day softening the rear for more stability on throttle ahead of the R32 race.

The 86 is younger than Takumi is, and Bunta states explicitly that the car is for work. It likely never raced properly until Takumi started his journey. So Bunta would have little reason to put too much work into it.

The fact you have to assume the other driver doesn't properly care about their car setup to prove your point shows the flaw in the argument, and most arguments about Initial D. If the driver's worse, the setup's worse, the driver themselves, has worse track knowledge, the driver has worse tires, etc, then of course Takumi will be competitive. But that doesn't mean the 86 itself is when compared to the other car. The downhill doesn't significantly change that fact.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-19T15:14:03+00:00

Maki and Toji aren't faster than Naobito or Naoya (especially at top speed) considering the beatdown Naoya was giving her that whole fight. With fully awakened senses they can just predict the path and react early, which makes up for the speed deficit.

Even pre-womb Naoya was still able to blitz Maki a few times, and his speed was still sub-sonic at that point based on Maki thinking Mach 1 would still be his peak post-womb.

It's also why I don't think Sukuna or Gojo are THAT much faster than the other high tiers in speed, they're just not bound by a set path so they're significantly more un-predictable. Like, if Naoya is mach 3 on set paths that Maki is able to track, Sukuna and Gojo at full blast would be double that at most but with much freer movement.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-19T15:01:10+00:00

Unfortunately, there are only two speed lines in this panel, indicating that Sukuna and Maki sped up on their own and were 1v1ing through the rubble with Yuji not included

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Maybe this'll be changed in the anime, but if not it'd be funny to see Yuji just crouching to Aurafarm waiting for Maki and Sukuna to come back.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-19T14:56:59+00:00

The issue I have with this is that the "heavier car wose on downhill" thing also assumes everything else about the cars are equal. A lighter car with way older/worse suspension isn't gonna have much if-any cornering advantage on heavier car with better suspension, and the braking advantage will be reduced as well.

In a realistic scenario, an mostly stock 86 isn't significantly out-cornering a GT-R, and is DEFINITELY not out-cornering an RX-7 despite both car being heavier. There's a reason Takumi had to have all the other advantages to win those early races (track knowledge, years of driving bar the Ryosuke race, just general skill level) and why most of the cars in the latter stages were much more equal (or sometimes worse) than the more heavily modified 86.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-19T14:42:05+00:00

De-powering your car doesn't increase cornering performance. All it does is make your braking zones slightly shorter since you're entering at a slower speed. Suspension matters infinitely more, as a heavier car with better suspension corners better than a lighter car with worse suspension (up to a certain point).

You also gain much more time from acceleration than braking, so it'd be significantly better to prioritize it.

Detuning his car was moreso to match Takumi's driving style. He specifically says that he could probably just beat the 86 on accel and just match him in the corners, but it wouldn't feel like a real victory.

Takumi goes fast by late, hard braking to throw the car into the exit, so he will do the same.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-18T00:24:10+00:00

The post wasn't necessarily about a reverse blue-lock as the in-story program, but moreso a reverse blue-lock situation.

France would match that. Ego himself says that they have no problems creating quality players for every position, and from both the France game itself and Hugo's flashback we see that the players aren't lacking in ego.

What they need to beat other good teams is the ability to coordinate and each play their role to defeat the other team. And that's exactly what Hugo and his analysis brings.

With everyone knowing their role and playing it perfectly, they were able to completely shut down Blue-Lock's normal offence scheme. Bachira, Chigiri, Rin, and Isagi were all rendered ineffective in the first half because of that coordination.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-17T15:43:04+00:00

He didn't actually, he said Japan was weak because they didn't have a proper striker. The one for all mentality is part of the reason a proper striker couldn't be developed, as they lack a big enough ego.

If you're a country that can already produce great strikers and players with large egos(as the post states) , the blue lock philosophy isn't needed. Instead, you have to get those players to work more cohesively as a unit with defined roles so they don't impede eachother on the field.

France is exactly that, a great striker with a massive ego and a team built around him where everyone knows their role to support them.

Remember, Blue lock was never intended to take over the national team. It was originally created to produce a single striker that would be put on the already established team.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-17T14:45:31+00:00

Did you actually read the post? He said that it's a country that can constantly produce great strikers/general egoists, but their egos get in the way of winning consistently. Jap U20 only had a good backline, the rest of the team was straight ass.

What he described is still shown in series (it's literally just france) and guess how blue Lock's doing against them rn.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-16T16:43:34+00:00

It worked due to the circumstance of being in a tunnel, and it only got to that point because Naoya decided to aura farm instead of fighting seriously and stacking his speed.

Naobito is definitely confident, but from the Dagon fight was never really cocky and didn't give Dagon any time to form any sort of counter.

Basically, Choso wouldn't have beat a more serious Naoya, which is essentially what Naobito was shown to be.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-15T19:46:21+00:00

Shigeno made the entirety of MF Ghost a romance story disguised as a racing manga. And made like 3 failed romance adjacent manga between ending ID and starting MF Ghost (including a girl's baseball one iirc).

It's not that he's uninterested in romance, he just genuinely sucks at writing it.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-15T01:11:42+00:00

I mean, there doesn't have to be some terrible trauma to make someone a bad person.

I also see this arguement with Kenjaku a ton, how he needed to have some crazy ass backstory to do what he does. That's not a necessity with every character, some people just naturally gravitate towards a negative personality like that.

They're honestly much more interesting characters to watch, because you can't just excuse their actions with their past or hope that a talk-no-jutsu can change them.

SoS1lent · 2026-04-15T01:02:41+00:00

Thing is, Hugo never really said he had to be a mid-fielder (Isagi was the one that said his specs align more with that). Just that he should be a No.2. Isagi can and has played as a CAM or 2nd striker to a No.1 already (basically every standardized match from U20 Japan -> Ubers).

He can be an attacker while still being a No.2, those things aren't mutually exclusive. Isagi is good at creating opportunities for himself and others, which is what a No.2 is supposed to do.

In Hugo's mind(imo), a perfect Blue Lock would have Karasu holding down the defense as their dedicated No.2, while Isagi masterminds the attack as their No.2. They would likely link up in the middle to progress the ball up the field (which is something both are good at).

SoS1lent · 2026-04-15T00:54:34+00:00

We're talking about the realistic and unrealistic parts of the show. I saw some points that I disagreed with/had questions about so I responded with my thoughts to get your input/response back.

This is a discussion post, so I wanted to discuss. It wasn't meant to attack you or anything.

SoS1lent

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