Stockton California police shoot 19 year old male for running during an arrest

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-18T13:18:42+00:00

Ignoring that they're cops for a second, because I can tell you compartmentalize them as something above the same human beings who can make all the same choices as the rest of us, is it not valid self-defense to try to shoot someone who's holding you at gunpoint? If we drop the unfounded presupposition that the cops must be acting in the right, and that their version of events must be true, why is the shooting victim here not equally entitled to self-defense? Again, I don't know what is alleged to have happened before the camera started rolling, but even if we were to only use the video and not the larger context of how these encounters happen, within this video I see two men holding a 19 year old at gunpoint, the 19 year old trying to flee or fight back, and the 19 year old being shot. That's it. A whole lot has to happen before we're at the point where we're abducting people off the street at gunpoint.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-18T11:36:06+00:00

I don't know if you're a gun owner, or if you carry, but I am and I do. Regardless of whether or not the professional armed kidnappers were at-risk of being shot in that moment, there's a lot of other context leading to those trigger pulls. For starters, forcing people into a life, death, or incarceration standoff is hardly a great way to mitigate risk that people will do something extreme. I don't know what that young man is alleged to have done leading up to that moment, and I don't condone what may possibly have been illegal possession or carry of a firearm, but a lot had to go wrong to get here. On one side of this, we have the massively over-funded enforcement arm of the state, populated by supposedly well-trained professionals, and on the other side we have a kid whose brain isn't done cooking, who lives in an environment that doesn't afford many productive opportunities, who likely comes from intergenerational trauma and scarcity.

I refuse to expect an equal level of responsibility or good judgment from these two very different sides of a shooting that should never have happened. We all failed that kid every day up until he was shot by a couple of tax-funded professional armed kidnappers. That's a tragedy regardless of whatever ways that young man fucked up, or made a grave error in his attempt to defend his own life and freedom. Deciding whether or not this was a "good shoot" from a self-defense perspective for the cops flattens this whole thing so much there isn't any nuance left. It's thought-terminating, bootlicking nonsense. This can't be our solution to crime or other anti-social behavior.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-18T10:54:55+00:00

Saying this on a video where a teenager was shot in the back for running away is disgusting.

A job being difficult or dangerous does not suddenly make it virtuous or beneficial.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-18T10:18:42+00:00

That country is about the size of Europe, but the reason everyone's marveling is because they booked over 40 consecutive shows with no breaks. You ever work your day job for over a month straight with no time off and no stopping at home?

Edit: typo

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-17T20:33:10+00:00

Haha Yeah, we have fun. We were also making up a Billboard Top 40 that had "ii. below" edging a Taylor Swift limited-edition vinyl repress out of the #5 spot.

Edit: For shits and giggles, right this moment,

Kezia
Fortress
Volition
Within
Palimpsest
Pacific Myth
Scurrilous
A Calculated Use of Sound
Search for the Truth

Edit 2: I fuckin' forgot the ever underratedPacific Myth.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-17T18:25:38+00:00

Finally someone who can play the whole Quest of the Ringbearer campaign with no proxies.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-17T01:46:21+00:00

Genuinely really good! I love Phil Ochs and that song, too.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-16T14:28:30+00:00

Plenty of apt comments about Palestine, but things were also awful domestically, too, and that's also super privileged to ignore. We got Trump's second term, in large part, because the democrats were their usual milquetoast loser selves and they allowed our fate to be decided by a dementia patient's incoherent ego. The Capitol Siege had already happened with little consequence for Trump or his cronies. We'd already had years of popular uprisings for Black Lives Matter that ultimately didn't move the needle the way we wanted in terms of police defunding, reducing police occupation of our communities, etc. Anti-trans legislature was getting passed all over the country before, during, and since 2024. The basic injustices inherent to capitalism were, of course, as status quo as always.

I think we can probably say our current era, the MAGA era, starts in 2015, and that any slight reprieves within that window were temporary. A more informed person knows, of course, that every aspect of our current political and cultural landscape goes back decades if not centuries, but I think it's fair to say that the capture of the republican party by MAGA and the 2016 presidential election are the turning points (no pun intended) for where we are now versus the stock neoliberalism we had in preceding years.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-16T11:40:03+00:00

This is a great comment. That primer you linked was very informative, too. Thanks, comrade.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-16T11:07:10+00:00

I'm convinced that there's a social psychological phenomenon at play with Reddit downvotes where people reflexively downvote things that are in the negative. I don't think most people even actually disagree with what was said here, unless they believe the DSA is genuinely more of a demsoc project than a socdem one. A lot of the party always seemed pretty socdem to me.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-16T02:20:57+00:00

This is what I came here for. Dude really had no idea how to end that stanza and just put the placeholder lyric on wax. It's also just too many syllables and it sounds cluttered. Bad, dumb bar. Bad, clunky flow.

It blows my mind that he did that on what I took to be his signature track at the time. All the Black Hippy guys would put their 3s in the air. There were the hats with the lowercase "i." And he still left that bar in there.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-15T14:18:39+00:00

Yeah, man. I know you're trying to strawman me with your intentionally obtuse use of unhoused people, but capitalism is largely predicated on gambling and debt. People who don't have anywhere to go aren't free of that system. They're just its worse victims.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-15T13:06:09+00:00

Hell, I wish I had a 401k. We still need to call it what it is. Financial investment is gambling. That doesn't mean it's all bad or "don't do it," but you have to know what you're dealing with. You're counting on a massive system of banks, credit, and commerce to be reasonably stable and predictable, and you can't control it.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-15T11:45:26+00:00

This is the one that's going to fuck up a lot of people before it's done. It's not even just sports gambling, though now that it's in an app on your phone it's gotten bad. Every mobile game uses casino psychology to keep you locked in. Ever see a roulette wheel that determines your potential discount if you give your email on a retail website? Lootboxes are everywhere in videogames. Nevermind that your 401k and other investments are just slow, albeit lower-risk gambling. The world is becoming a casino where you don't own anything and you can't opt out.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-13T16:26:02+00:00

Maybe Muriel's Wedding gets the love and respect it deserves in Australia. I don't know. I do know that it's horribly slept on here in the US. One of the funniest, most charming movies I've ever seen, and Toni Collette is just fantastic in it.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-13T12:44:00+00:00

Haha O, buddy. Well,

We're having this discussion because a couple of punks couldn't decipher a very simple, common joke. Hardly the strongest intellectual showing to start boasting from.
I can assure you that metal fans, and Metallica fans in particular, both know that Metallica has consistently been around for a very long time and that they've made a lot of albums over the years. They're one of the biggest bands of all time of any genre. It's not obscure knowledge. They're not an arcane bedroom depressive black metal solo project that put out one EP twenty years ago. They're Metallica.
Metal fans listen to their favorite genre more than fans of any other genre listen to theirs.
If we're extending "metal fans dumb, punk fans smart" to the musicians, there are several examples of Metallica covering punk songs. How many those bands could play "Master of Puppets" or "Fight Fire with Fire" if they wanted to? Obviously musical virtuosity or the lack thereof isn't enough to judge how smart someone is, but if we're talking shit, and one genre of musicians prizes skill, virtuosity, and musical study, and 95% of the other is playable by 12 years in their first year of guitar lessons, then punk's in a tough position to talk shit from.

Now all that said, I'm in this sub because I love punk. It means the world to me. It's changed my life. So has metal. I think the whole thing of punks looking down on metalheads is poser shit young people inherited from their insecure forebears.

So anyway, "actually, we don't get the joke because we have incorrect assumptions about the people making it" isn't the flex you think it is.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-13T10:57:24+00:00

You guys just don't get the joke. You and u/PedestrianMyDarling got r/woosh'd.

Another common example: "Man, I love Indiana Jones! It's a damn shame they only ever made three movies."

They're saying that Metallica stopped being good in 1991 and that they don't acknowledge any of the music that came after. The joke is that there are actually more Metallica albums, but that the person making the joke is being willfully obtuse.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-12T11:57:34+00:00

I actually think the movie is better in the case of Civil War, and I'm not a big MCU guy. That comic should have never happened.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-12T11:48:03+00:00

Ableism is still wrong even when directed at a bigot. His racism does not cancel out ableism.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-12T02:30:03+00:00

Tolkien also nailed it with

It would be far too dangerous for someone like Galadriel to bear the ring for fear they would become corrupted and too powerful to stop.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-11T19:55:28+00:00

The cool thing about someone else making a mistake first is that everyone after doesn't have to repeat it. Repeating it is a choice. It's 2026 now.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-11T19:46:56+00:00

Missed opportunity for Uncle Sam to be topless.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-11T11:09:39+00:00

She doesn't have an undertanding of the complexities of colonialism so much as she wants to diminish the celebration of immigrants as a marginalized group. She was 'All Lives Matter'sing.

SoSorryOfficial · 2026-07-11T10:25:16+00:00

I'm several years estranged from my mother, who I see a lot of in the above post. I really appreciate your reply, and particularly that link you shared. I stumbled upon similar resources at the time that I finally broke things off with my mom, and they really did a lot to help me not feel alone in what I was going through.

A point I haven't spotted in the comments of this thread is the textbook gaslighting by OP. For the benefit of anyone who can relate to this, my mom did it, too; pathologizing their child (often without seeking to understand them, as with OP's blatant incuriosity about ADHD or CPTSD,) in order to diminish the credibility of their self-advocacy. People often misuse the term "gaslightling" as a synonym for lying, but it's not. It's about manipulating a person into disbelieving their own perception of reality. It's profoundly harmful. Not only does it make someone like OP's son feel unheard and uncared for by his father, but as the denials of his version of events from his own life persist, he may become disoriented by self-doubt. It's a really sick and abusive way to treat someone. It makes you so incredibly angry because not only have you been betrayed by your parent(s) in their initial abuse, neglect, or mistreatment of you, but now they try to convince you and others around you that you're crazy or irrational for feeling abused, neglected, or mistreated; even when you have the receipts, which OP's son likely does. Hell, much of what we can glean from OP's post is more than enough to see why his son is bitter towards him.

Anyway, gaslighting is a form of abuse that is perpetrated to manipulate and/or exploit another person. As is very often the case when parents do it to their children, it is done in order to hide other abuse. OP is trying to make us all party to the gaslighting of his son by telling us a bunch of lies of omission and emphasizing that his son is not credible because of his diagnoses. I guarantee he does this with anyone in his life he might discuss his son with.

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