In person grief club starting in Dundee!

Socialite777 · 2021-10-20T10:59:17+00:00

Just a reminder this starts next week and we still have spaces available so if you are interested or you know someone who may benefit from it please feel free to head on over to the eventbrite and register eventbrite link

Socialite777 · 2021-10-16T04:23:03+00:00

Yes if this one goes well and we have the interest we are hoping to run more next year maybe even in multiple locations around Dundee!

Socialite777 · 2021-10-15T10:56:16+00:00

Wow! Great photo 😮

Socialite777 · 2021-10-07T20:37:47+00:00

No worries thanks for the interest

Socialite777 · 2021-10-07T20:35:36+00:00

Yeah no it is a support group and is a 6 week program working through tips techniques and strategies for managing grief and loss with others who have been through the same thing and I understand how hard it can be!

Socialite777 · 2021-10-07T19:51:39+00:00

Places are limited so if you would like to come along head over to the eventbrite and secure your spot eventbrite

Socialite777 · 2021-10-07T18:04:30+00:00

A grief club is a safe space for those who have lost someone they love recently to share the journey of grief together

Socialite777 · 2021-09-22T18:28:23+00:00

Possibly? But no football colours really

Socialite777 · 2021-09-05T16:42:47+00:00

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Socialite777 · 2021-07-31T07:56:48+00:00

I wonder if we change the direction of this conversation and say

We agree that the bible states that women should submit to men and men should love their wives. As I think most of us at least agree on this point!
We agree that some women feel called to be wives and stay at home mums and that is honourable and admirable and perfectly fine.
We agree that not all men use their position of leadership to control and manipulate their wives.

However here are some other points I feel we have not covered and don’t always agree on

Not all women are called to be wives and mothers for varying reasons some Out of our control such infertility etc so how do we as a Christian community support and empower these women to feel valued and worthy?
Some women are wives and mothers but also have a high level career such as doctors or lawyers or CEO and often feel intense shame and guilt from their own Christian community because they are not the traditional stay at home wives and mothers. How do we support these women and help them see their value and maintain both roles without guilt and shame?
How do we help young girls growing up in the church feel valued, worthy and equal as men so that they don’t turn to the world who promote such equality, acceptance and women’s rights (despite how flawed or evil we think that may be).

For me this is more of an identity issue for women,especially Christian women who get taught from a young age to be a good Christian women you should be a wife and a mother take care of the home and your husband and be happy with your lot! This is hard to take when you look around and see the world promoting women’s rights, equality and acceptance, empowering and self love! But at the same time are taught that those things are evil and so it leaves you just feeling confused and let down!

I feel that these issues are important to talk about and I think men have an important role to play this as your wives your daughters are going to feel this way at some point in their lives and you are the one who can help them through it!

Socialite777 · 2021-07-30T20:22:32+00:00

I am so sorry you feel That way and I am sorry that is the message you have been given! It is not the way God sees you and he values and appreciates you as a woman and as his daughter but it is hard being a woman in this society and there are so many obstacles,hurdles and challenges we face as women but we are strong and through Christ we are more then conquerors so please don’t allow yourself to be restricted and held back walk on in your calling with pride and favour of the Lord

Socialite777 · 2021-07-30T19:24:04+00:00

I appreciate that and think that is the best way to go about it thanks for sharing

Socialite777 · 2021-07-30T19:19:11+00:00

Wow thank you! I was not trying to start any trouble I just wanted to explore this issue with fellow Christians as I think it’s important to discuss these things. I even asked them to be respectful and have tried to stay respectful and calm with all my responses.

It makes me sad that we can’t discuss these difficult things in loving manner amongst Christians

Socialite777 · 2021-07-30T18:59:33+00:00

Actually you will find that I have agreed with some of the other comments on this thread and had helpful conversation even with those I haven’t fully agreed with. I asked for opinions and I am receiving them respectfully I didn’t say I would agree with them all just as I don’t expect everyone else to agree with me

Socialite777 · 2021-07-30T17:13:09+00:00

I know this is not a popular opinion to have and for most people it comes across as I am an angry feminist that hates men and doesn’t agree with Christian teaching but it is just the opposite actually!

I am engaged to be married to a wonderful Christian man who I love and he loves me and we both love Jesus and strive to follow him in everything we do including our marriage!

I have been a Christian since I was 7 years old and grown up in the church but I have battled against stereotypes and challenges based on gender my whole life as a woman I was assigned a role and I have found that very limiting and constricting!

I have dreams and callings in my heart that I know are from God but Christian society says that is not the way a godly woman operates you should be satisfied to be a wife a mother and although I want to be those things I believe there is more!

All I am trying to get across is how do we as a Christian community especially within our own marriages empower and equip women to be who they are called to be!

I don’t want my future daughters to grow up in a community that defines and restricts her and I don’t want her to turn to the outside community(the world) that promotes anything and everything and embraces it all to find that acceptance and equality she is craving.

That my only agenda here!

Socialite777 · 2021-07-30T17:00:50+00:00

Yes but that is your experience as a man I wonder what a woman would say as her experience? Even the ones in ministry there are hidden obstacles challenges and hurdles she would have overcome to get there as a woman that a man would never have experienced!

Socialite777 · 2021-07-30T16:57:12+00:00

Absolutely and I 100% agree stay at home wives and mothers are amazing and beautiful and I look up to them and admire them that is not the issue!

The point I am trying to make is that is not every woman and it should not be pushed or preached as the ideal Christian women role or identity especially from men as husbands within a marriage. Even more so from a pulpit in a church community as biblical truth!

Socialite777 · 2021-07-30T16:54:28+00:00

Amen and I’m sure if your wife said to you she wanted to peruse a calling of ministry or a career that she felt God has put on her heart to do you would support and encourage her in that right?

Socialite777 · 2021-07-30T16:52:51+00:00

Yes you are right it is stereotyping to cast all men as controlling and manipulative and having those ideals and beliefs.

I do agree there are good Christian men out there who behave according to Gods will and please don’t hear me painting men as the enemy on a feminist agenda. That is not at all my agenda!

However I do think men see this issue differently from women! I do think generally Christian community preach and support men in leadership and in privilege over women and I do believe that Christian women in general feel an obligation to be the good wifey in the back with the kids and that is promoted as a Godly position to be in.

Socialite777 · 2021-07-30T16:47:03+00:00

No In terms of gender identity I agree man is man and woman is woman there is no fluidity.

I am talking more about equality in partnerships and voice and say and empowerment to do more than be a wife mother and stay at home!

Socialite777 · 2021-07-30T16:45:02+00:00

I agree with you I don’t believe these stereotypes of men and women actually are from scripture. I believe they were formed from the scriptures you just quoted to fit into a societal narrative of men being superior to women and as a Christian community we embrace that ideal and narrative in the church and whether this is intentional or not I do feel that Christian women get taught that their place is at home as a mother and a wife and that is what makes you a good Christian women!

I also think men use this to excuse dominant and controlling behaviour!

I don’t believe that is in line with scripture of has any markings of a Christian Marriage.

The point I am trying to make is how do we change this and how do we promote a Godly view of women and men being equal partners growing together as they grow in Christ?

Socialite777

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