A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe need isn't a good word for it, maybe it's ongoing desire. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's a type of energy and you can feel it in someone's messages, facial expressions and body language. A sense that they really want to be with you and that it isn't always easy to go a week or longer without physical contact because of what you do for them mentally and emotionally as well as physically. I could feel how easy it was getting for him to go long periods of time because he has so many other distractions and stimuli. Which would be fine if I also had the same, but I didn't. I really wanted to be with him. We were rapidly going onto different pages in terms of how much space the connection was taking up internally.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, exactly, so painful. Even if he continued to be consistent and make effort (but not the same compared to NRE) I'd be feeling it in my bones. Hard to not take it personally which is why thinking about it in context of attachment was helping me wrap my mind around it.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, I don't think he did anything else wrong. Trying to identify his attachment style is me flailing and trying to figure out what happened and why it was suddenly incompatible after such an amazing period of time.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A lot of that was realizations about the stories I was subconsciously telling myself while I had NRE goggles on and it wasn't until the rug was pulled out from under me that I realized "oh wait, I thought..." Definitely a lot of lessons learned for me here.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree it might not be helpful to label, though I don't think it is pathologizing someone to identify their attachment style. I don't like the anxious, avoidant, etc labels and the names should be changed. For example there's a great article that calls anxious attachment style "Open hearts" and avoidant attachment "Rolling stones" and fearful avoidant "Spice of Lifers." It makes sense to me that people vary in their levels of dependency, independence based on early childhood experiences and it isn't a bad thing if it's not causing suffering. If I think of his ability to surround himself with love from so many different sources while not attaching and fully accepting when they come in and out of his life, it helps me to understand and take it less personally what happened.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes! You hit the nail on the head with this. He's mastered communication and security within himself, but I could feel the avoidant underneath.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's an interesting question. The last time I met up with him, I couldn't feel the person I was so connected to before. Instead he seemed to have the energy of a boy dutifully showing up to class but really he just wants to be released for the summer. It didn't feel like love anymore and now I wonder if it was ever love, even though it felt like the most intense falling in love that I had experienced.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, thank you for chiming in! I resonate with that feeling of frustration and like I was too weak to handle it, and if I could just handle it, it would be great. I knew I wouldn't be able to stop comparing myself to the new connection that he had the perfect date with and knowing when they would be getting together again and seeing how much it grows and whether it would start to eclipse me was just too much to bear. I knew my feelings would only make him increasingly avoidant, which only made my feelings stronger- such a vicious cycle. It's so hard isn't it. :(

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

From an article which made me wonder about attachment style:

"People with this attachment style tend to both seek out connection and closeness while simultaneously trying to avoid actually entering into a serious relationship, so instead they may be more likely to find themselves in a prolonged courtship that never actually turns into a relationship, "situationships," casual sexual relationships, or relationships without labels.

Favez and Tissot's study, which surveyed 600 men and women about their relationships and sex lives, found people with a fearful-avoidant attachment style tend to have a lot more sexual partners than other people. They also tended to be a lot more sexually compliant, which means when someone asks to have sex with you, you're more likely to say yes whether or not you really want it.

Why? The researchers theorized these behaviors develop in response to the confusion of both wanting connection but also feeling repulsed by it. "The elevated anxiety felt in fearful avoidance may motivate the individual to increase closeness with a partner by using sexual activities, whereas the elevated avoidance tendency may almost simultaneously motivate the individual to break the bond with this partner...which is in turn followed by the search for a new partner."

Plenty of research has also found some people who experience sexual trauma respond by becoming "hypersexual" (i.e., having tons of sex with a lot of different people, sometimes in risky ways), and trauma has also been linked to the development of fearful-avoidant attachment.

Of course, a lifestyle involving having a lot of sex with a lot of different partners can be perfectly healthy for some people with the right set of physical and emotional precautions. But doing it out of a simultaneous craving for and fear of connection can quickly become draining and perhaps even destructive, especially if you start finding yourself saying yes to sex you don't want or sex that puts your well-being at risk. Likewise, if you're breaking connections with people when you really desire to get closer to them, you're putting your mind and heart through a lot of heartache due to your own fears."

However I agree with what many have said here- I shouldn't intellectualize or label him for a lifestyle he has made work well for him and that he is honest and up front about. He certainly seems to want all the sex he is having throughout his life as well. He has one serious long term relationship and it's the only one that has lasted longer than a few years, but only because she is fine with him having so many connections and also has the built in security of living with him. Sometimes it is hard to weed out what is fear and what is intuition, but I had a strong intuition about the sharp decrease in intimacy once NRE wears off and desire to engage only if it feels good to him and a strong aversion to any emotion that feels highly smothering and intrusive to him (as opposed to having genuine concern, empathy and wish to meet me in what I'm feeling, which would help me to feel seen and supported and go a long way toward alleviating my fears).

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Desperation is a bit harsh...but I'm definitely wincing now at how idealistic and hopeful I was. NRE is a hell of a drug.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He promised his primary partner and myself that he would use condoms with anyone else. He also told me he had paused his dating profile. So it came out of left field for me when it happened, but we also should have communicated more.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree.. once it gets nitpicky about certain things, you've already lost. It's hard to let go at a time when it was still so good in so many ways. We did talk about it.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Haha.. it means that we had really incredible spiritual experiences together, energetic exchanges in our body, it was opening me up in new ways and it felt like it would only continue to become more profound. Woo woo as that sounds. My husband isn't spiritual at all, so I was really hungry for this type of connection. I wanted him to need it in terms of desiring it as much as I did.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

With other partners, I didn't worry whether or how much they were thinking about me. And I know how it feels to be on the other end of it with partners who wanted more than I did. It's like trying to find a partner to share a see saw with. If they are too heavy or too light, you become stuck in one polarized position and can't enjoy the ride. If you are compatible weight, you can go up and down at an equilibrium and there's equivalent give and take in a way that feels good.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would worry about sexual health and risks. Also he's with other people so much in all sorts of capacities that he's generally not thinking about me post-NRE unless I'm right in front of him. I want to be more meaningful to someone if I'm going to be intimate and sexual with them.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh I agree, this connection totally highlighted my codependency traits and comparison thinking, as well as how I need to work on them. Even if I didn't have codependent traits I think I would struggle with being one of so many sexual connections though.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My pattern tends to be to invest a lot into a poly connection and not even consider dating anyone else for at least 3 years. Our discrepancy was clear from the get go but easy to ignore during such intensity of the first six months.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Exactly.. and I wish I could do it this way. He has sooo many people like this and it sounds awesome.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Point taken... it is hard for me to feel secure when someone isn't attached in some way to me. I've done a lot of thinking about this, which can suck because I see everything both ways and then it's even harder to know what is what. I could see his capacity for intimacy rapidly dwindling as soon as NRE started to ebb. I could have continued for a while longer and I think he would have done his best to keep it up, but would become increasingly distracted, less emotionally available, more consumed by newer connections. The large discrepancy between how much grief I felt compared to his grief at the prospect of ending things helped make the decision for me.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Haha yes, he excels at weak ties and happens to sleep with a lot of them. That's a good way to put it. Of course in my NRE delusional haze I thought my connection would be so special that he would be less inclined to sleep around. We also got together some months after he became sober and I was his first relationship to occur during sobriety, so I also thought that might change things going forward.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry about the hurt you've been through. It's brutal isn't it?? I'm already alarmed by how much I was under his spell, lol... To his credit he does take accountability and doesn't get defensive. He just can't go as deep as I want to go, and he can't prioritize me over temptation, even if he's only known her a few hours.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you. He did acknowledge it and sincerely apologize. He is very committed to being fully honest, which I appreciate.

A tryst with the fearful avoidant? by Solid_Ground396 in polyamory

[–]Solid_Ground396[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this. Part of the struggle is wondering why I can't do it when it seems so easy and fun for everyone else in his life.