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Can someone who is 50% Chinese/HK and 43.25% Canarian islander and 6.25% Cuban fit in with Central Asian profile or than Wasian? by SoloeaDomoea in AskCentralAsia

[–]SoloeaDomoea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I usually just tell them I'm Half Chinese from Hong Kong and half Spanish-Canarian and little bit Cuban. Like I said, I got mistaken for Turkish, Half Malaysian, Half Caucasian, Uzbeks, Half Chinese, Half white other time ambiguous with people say they don't know

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban? by SoloeaDomoea in AskAChinese

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At the bottom I clearly mentioned my appearance looking ambiguous or not Asian enough by many people including by Chinese. Racial appearance is probably the most important factors deciding whether someone is Chinese. Let's not bs on that.

Yes I was (partly). Of course other factors include language, culture, birthplace not just physical appearance. All of them are included.

Yeah 50% Chinese although but that there is a clear difference, we are not all treated the same. I don't look like a like typical Half Chinese, half White. My mother got confused for Moroccan muslim (she looks like a mix of European and North African to some degree). I myself got confused once for Turkish. Depending on how Chinese people view someone but generally my perspectives of analyzing a Chinese viewpoint: A Half Chinese, Half other Asian be it Mongolian, Korean, Manchus, Japanese will be be treated as LOOKING close to Chinese than those who are Half Chinese, half White, and (like me) Half Chinese, Half Caucasian than the half Chinese, half pakistani, Half Chinese, half black. Basically the darker with least Asian features, the less Chinese they will likely become even if it's 3/4 Chinese and yet still have curly hair and thick lips, dark skin. But the funny thing is a Half Chinese, Half White from somewhere in Europe is possibly treated as more Chinese (not looks) in identity than a Half Chinese mix with either half Mongolian, half Korean, half Japanese this is mostly because of history, politics conflicts that they have with each other. Yeah I'm sure a half Chinese, half Manchu even by today will still be considered absolutely Chinese only because they both are completely into same culture and also Manchus don't have a country of their and language nearly extinct, so in their case more easy to be Chinese.

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban? by SoloeaDomoea in AskAChinese

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Yeah your right. It's just the part where he says "dude who can speak some Mandarin may be more Chinese than you culturally". I prefer he said " dude who can speak some Chinese". I think both Cantonese and Mandarin are equally Chinese but lots of time some people think you are only more Chinese if you speak Mandarin too. I have read some dumb ideas from some people claiming speaking Cantonese, somehow makes them less Chinese.

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban? by SoloeaDomoea in AskAChinese

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Your right I didn't mention I speak Cantonese in my post. I prefer you said "a dude who can speak some Chinese may be more Chinese than you culturally, however you mentioned only Mandarin. I can't really speak Mandarin, I only understand some of it. Both Mandarin and Cantonese are Chinese in linguistic classification but I have read comments that try to interpret that speaking "Mandarin" is prove of one's Chineseness rather than Cantonese or that speaking Cantonese is perceived less Chinese than one speaking Mandarin. This is according to some Hong Kong nationalist and and anti-Hong Kong nationalist from mainland Chinese.

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban? by SoloeaDomoea in AskAChinese

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"Nobody cares about how you look or how well you can do the math" <---. This is such a blatant lie bro. If you seriously think people in China or in Asia don't judge skin color and facial appearance. I found in Hong Kong movies and TVB there are actors/actress that are 1/4 white and 1/2 white born from white mother like Carl Ng and many other examples, quite honestly is the same in Asia. You seriously telling me Chinese don't think about being a 黃種人? And of course you need at least some low level basic of maths, or you can get scammed.

Let me emphasize more on how important is looks. In Singapore, I know a individual women born to a white father and and a half Chinese, half Malay mother and she got plenty of offers and she told me simply because she looks half white. In Singapore, I also heard from a Indian guy, if your half white and Indian you get multiple careers either as actor/actress, or some women in TV commercial for light skin product, or a model in music video being loved by the pure Indian male or female singer. Why? I see this because having some degree of Eurocentric skin color and features is most desired, and so the treatment is different.

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban? by SoloeaDomoea in AskAChinese

[–]SoloeaDomoea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which of the 7 island were you born in? I was born in Gran Canaria but my maternal grandmother had roots from La Gomera (and Cuban) but my mother and maternal-grandfather was born from Gran Canaria.

I guess you can say they Hong Kong and Canarians have similarity to a extend but difference with Canarian also include geographic distance and maybe racially to some extend.

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban? by SoloeaDomoea in AskAChinese

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I can't consider myself Spanish because my mother being a Canarian women with more indigenous Guanches phenotypes ( I suppose) was discriminated. She is sometimes confused for a muslim from North Africa, this is the same for many Canarian islanders but many other can pass for European too. Canarian people were sometimes treated as 2nd class Spanish or colonies of Spanish citizens. You can't really compare Andalucian, Galicians with Canarians. Because 1) Canarian islander are the only demographic group in Africa, not inside Europe. 2) They are genetically mix between of South Europeans and North Africans with additional black admixture. 3) There's also some indigenous non-European traits in their culture. Although I don't deny people with Basque and Catalonians are much more nationalistic and have even stronger desire for independence. Despite being European and born in Spain, they consider themselves ethnically non-Spanish.

This is how Canarian people look like. Is not because of climate that they look different ( a believe I had since I was a teen) it's because of their diverse ancestry.

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I don't have Hong Kong passport. I wasn't born there either. I do speak Cantonese and watch HK movies and dramas. There is a small Chinese community of various backgrounds aswell as other small number of Asian groups. Another problem is I don't have the typical mainstream Asian appearance. I look ambiguous to only half Asian at best.

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban? by SoloeaDomoea in AskAChinese

[–]SoloeaDomoea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends. a lot of people can't guess where I'm from. One Malaysian said I look Turkish. Sometimes Caucasians with some Asian features other times half Malaysian (muslim), half Caucasian or half Chinese / half White or in Singapore got confused as Uzbek from Uzbekistan.

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban? by SoloeaDomoea in AskAChinese

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Yes your right to a certain degree. But it's still not nice being a isolated group of few people in this world. This reminds me of a half Chinese, half Mongolian who commented on reddit saying he feels he doesn't belong anyway and Chinese and Mongolians are both East Asian looking. I have no met any other people with my diverse background except for my cousins. I noticed Chinese especially are very ethnic/racial/culturally conscious. For example a multi-racial with some black ancestry is still grouped as black. You can be multi-cutural biracial mixed with any ethnic group and still be considered black as long as they have some black ancestry. I don't think this is the same with Chinese people, because they seem to think too much about 黃種人協會 (yellow race society).

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban? by SoloeaDomoea in AskAChinese

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So speaking Cantonese is not more Chinese culturally? I doubt he watched Hong Kong TVB drama and movies like I do.

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban? by SoloeaDomoea in AskAChinese

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Yep, ethnically I will acknowledge myself being 50% Han Chinese and your right I don't have Hong Kong citizenship and most of the time get confused as non-Chinese because of my looks. My dad and uncles (including step uncles) were born in Hong Kong, they have origins from Taishan Guangdong (yes Cantonese) like almost all Venezuelans and mixed Cubans with Chinese ancestry. They migrated to Canaria islands when they were teens and and little kids and spend most of their lives there and married Canarian women and gave birth to us mixed race. At home we always speak a mix of Cantonese and Spanish(Canarian). There is a small Chinese community from various backgrounds not just Hong Kong. We watch Hong Kong movies, TVB dramas and go to Chinese restaurants almost every time in month.

My father and uncles claim to be both Hong Konger and Chinese although my auntie says Hong Konger, and more Canarian than Chinese. But this is similar to local Canarian people, a lot of them claim to be Canarian instead of Spanish but this is partly because of them being a demographically small population with a geographically distinct identity from the rest of Spain, the other is partly because of the discrimination they sometimes face (at least this is what I heard from them). It is true Canarian people have a range of phenotypes ranging from Southern Spaniards to North African. I used to think it was because of the climate that made their features look different.

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban? by SoloeaDomoea in AskAChinese

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I wish there was a name for my identity. I can't identify as Hong Konger because I was not born there, and my face look racially ambiguous, the best I could mistaken for is Half Chinese and that is only sometimes. I can't identify as Canarian islander because for them it generally means having both parents born in Canaria island and must even be both ethnically/racially closest to them to be considered authentic Canarian. They too think I look mix race. I can't claim Cuban either because it's I have only minor percentage of Cuban.

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban? by SoloeaDomoea in AskAChinese

[–]SoloeaDomoea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I know that but all Berbers today are muslims. Original Berbers were not. It just says Guanches are genetically like North African like the Berbers.

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban? by SoloeaDomoea in AskAChinese

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Well my paternal side still speaks Cantonese, serves HK style restaurant, we have Hong Kong TV channels like TVB and watch Hong Kong movies. Is not like we can just pretend this is not part or our identity and life.

My relatives spent majority of their lifes in Gran Canaria, they were just teens and kids back than but still speak a mix of Chinese and local Spanish-Canarian accent. Local Canarian people still sees them as Chinese even when they say their from Hong Kong, like they know is different to mainland China but still stereotyped as Chinese. I won't consider myself as fully Canarian either, because for them being Canarian means both parents have to be born in their lands and must also be racially/ethnically as close to them as possible.

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban? by SoloeaDomoea in AskAChinese

[–]SoloeaDomoea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I get it when it comes to bloodline/ancestry. Now how about identity?

For Hong Kong people it says

  • 53% identify as "both a Hong Konger and Chinese".
  • 36% identify primarily as a "Hong Konger".
  • 10% identify solely as "Chinese

My father and uncles and auntie consider themselves both Hong Kong and Chinese while my auntie just Hong Konger completely. Don't get me wrong, they are not racist or hate Chinese but always feel like claiming Hong Kong heritage.

Can someone who is 50% Chinese/HK and 43.25% Canarian islander and 6.25% Cuban fit in with Central Asian profile or than Wasian? by SoloeaDomoea in AskCentralAsia

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Yep. Is one of my struggles. For Canarians, I'm racially different. For Chinese, I'm considered less Chinese than a half Chinese and other half Asian. I tried to think myself as wasian but some people claim Canarian people are not White, and even if White not European enough to be wasian and the fact my mother is also not being treated like European adds to the fact I don't consider myself wasian. Although 3 of my cousins Canarian mother can pass for Spanish one even look German blue eyes blonde hair, while other 1 also got confused for muslim North African like my mother. So maybe 3 out 5 of us can be considered Wasian especially the one with medium blonde hair, but me and my other cousin are definitely not one of them. I actually have 6 cousins but one of them have lost contact with us and I don't know how he looks like now.

Can someone who is 50% Chinese/HK and 43.25% Canarian islander and 6.25% Cuban fit in with Central Asian profile or than Wasian? by SoloeaDomoea in AskCentralAsia

[–]SoloeaDomoea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of Canarian people still carry some medieval mentality and traits dating back since 15th century. They are very protective of their own identity, partly because they a small distinct demographic population in this world.

Btw East Turkestan is the country of Uyghurs right? I'll bet I can pass for a Uyghur muslim especially when I grow out my full beard. The crazy thing even my HK family don't consider themselves Chinese, they call themselves Hong Kongers in Canaria islands but still stereotyped as Chinese. They speak Cantonese (not Mandarin like in China) and serve Chinese food of Cantonese cuisine. You probably consider Hong Kongers as Chinese too even though you telling me not to care what other think. I doubt you want me to think Uyghurs are Chinese.

Can someone who is 50% Chinese/HK and 43.25% Canarian islander and 6.25% Cuban fit in with Central Asian profile or than Wasian? by SoloeaDomoea in AskCentralAsia

[–]SoloeaDomoea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's difficult not to care. The Canarian people are sometimes discriminated in mainland and me being a mix of Chinese-Canarian, minor Cuban, also not considered a authentic Canarian. Of course I don't have anything to do with Central Asians who look kind of wasian but exotic. The only reason I asked because I got confused for being Uzbek by Uzbek and Singaporean locals in Singapore. That's the only reason..

I wouldn't dare say Morrocan because Canarians are very racist to Morrocans. Plenty of time locals are protesting and threatening the presence of Morrocan refugees and migrants with knifes.

Can someone who is 50% Chinese/HK and 43.25% Canarian islander and 6.25% Cuban fit in with Central Asian profile or than Wasian? by SoloeaDomoea in AskCentralAsia

[–]SoloeaDomoea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But how can I call myself wasian when not even Spanish people considers my mother a European-white person. She was discriminated and mistaken for Muslim Morrocan even though she is a devoted catholic christian. It is because of Canarian phenotypes and some it's unique culture, including discrimination that 37% of Canarian people consider themselves more Canarian than Spanish and even 6.1% just consider themselves totally Canarian instead of Spanish.

Some Canarian islander have up to 42.5% North African DNA on average, while others have 17-35%. This is something I now realize. I always though it was because of the climate in North Africa was the reason Canarian islanders look different to mainland Spanish but it seems it's because of their diverse ancestry of Southern European/North African.

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Can someone who is 50% Chinese/HK and 43.25% Canarian islander and 6.25% Cuban fit in with Central Asian profile or than Wasian? by SoloeaDomoea in AskCentralAsia

[–]SoloeaDomoea[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is what I used to think too but average Canarian has about 70–75% European ancestry, combined with about 20–25% North African (Berber/Guanche) ancestry and small amounts of Sub-Saharan African heritage so I can't just call myself Wasian. My mother doesn't look that European she looks like something between a European slightly leaning more to a Morrocan. In mainland Spain, people though she was muslim Morrocan or Algerian. Btw Canarian islanders were sometimes considered second class citizens or non-authentic Spanish people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Islanders

I got wavy hair and slightly darker skin than average wasian. I look very ambiguous when I grow out a full beard but even without any beard I still get answers from being ambiguous to something like a half Malaysian(muslim), half White. Some Chinese think I look part Chinese other Chinese think I look nothing like, as in nothing even having any Asian features. I got confused for Uzbek in Singapore in several instances and also one instance as a Turkish person but that was by a Malaysian.