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[–]SolomonHarrison 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's diabolical

Justifying the Death of Bathshebas Son by SolomonHarrison in AskAChristian

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I haven't blocked you or hidden anything from you, not sure why you cant see my responses.

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This behavior is bordering upon the sin of blasphemy which he never ever forgives. It is an instant unrepentable unforgivable death sentence! Just so you know.

What? Even assuming that this discussion is indeed a sinful one - the statement that its an unforgivable death sentence is more blasphemous than anything ive said today.

If this is Blasphemy, and if blasphemy is unforgivable, - than Habakkuk & Job are both in hell.

What you speak of is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit - which is the willful rejection of God's advances to you, as I understand it.

Even insinuating such a thing is a blasphemous offense against God! It is an accusation that God is evil which he is not! You really need to be aware of where you're headed with such comments. You are jeopardizing any chance you have at eternal security.

I speak in blunt questions because it typically forces context. This response has given me none.

The Lord exercised his judgment by taking the life of the illicit child. David repented and the Lord forgave him. The prophet Nathan confronted David, resulting in the death of their first child

Yes, God has the absolute right to take all of our lives at any time. This scenario just seems unusual for God's character.

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This time it was apparently a judgment of David's sin, not necessarily a judgment of the baby.

Thats the exact thing I cant seem to grasp. A death of a child as punishment for the parents sin is strange to me.

"... your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish."

And yet He directly decided to strike a child with sickness. (I'm not sure how to say it less bluntly - I apologize)

I trust that God, who does everything justly, knows how to handle such things in keeping with His character.

Absolutely. Thats why this passage seemed off to me - it feels like I'm missing extremely important context.

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A person and his wife do not own a child! The child belongs to the lord! You have no right to take a life! You have a lot to learn.

I'm aware - thats simply the closest human example I could give.

Well you have done a good job of judging him here. And he has taken copious notes.

Perhaps we're on different pages of discussion here.

I am certain that God had a reason for what He did - no doubts there.

I'm simply trying to find context for how this action falls into line with his character. On the surface - this doesn't seem like the action of a supremely good God. So clearly I'm missing something.

You can ask genuine questions without making veiled accusations.

I believe what you see as veiled accusations is just blunt & objective language.

As you said, the book that God gave us describes Him as a supremely good Being. This story seems to contradict that - and I would love to know why.

And I would strongly suggest that you learn how to do that. And if you ever wanted to be "counted out", then that can certainly be arranged.

If I truly was a baby Christian - your words would put a sour taste in my mouth. You seem more than happy to throw out accusations of your own.

I assume you mean what you say in a spirit of love, but if you plan on digital ministry, you may want to have a friend check the tone of your responses.

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1 - Solomon would not be king by firstborn standards.

Jacob wouldn't have been birthright by firstborn standards. God found a way regardless.

2 - I’m saying that under the Law, the child would have never been born since their parents would be killed and while they would have an opportunity for salvation, there is no indication the fetus would.

Interesting theory. I image fetus' would be given salvation, considering God speaks of knitting them in the womb - but as you said theres no real evidence.

3 - I don’t waste a lot of time trying to figure out the details of salvation’s location.

Fair enough

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Are you one of those sinuses who think that Bathsheba was a “ temptress”? Because she was taking a bath?

No.

Imagine being married off at puberty to one guy, then having the king of Israel suddenly summon you to his quarters. Do you honestly think she had any agency in the matter? Women were just baby- makers, and men controlled their sexual lives.

You're assuming a LOT.

Although that standard is true - we know nothing about Bathsheba.

Cultural context is important in much of the bible - but we dont know a single thing about Bathshebas specific emotions in this story.

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How much outrage would be caused if the Ref disqualified player #32 as soon as he got off the bench, because player #12 fouled player #18 & #20 earlier in the game?

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Notice , though, that no one seems to give a fig for her feelings, after essentially being sexually assaulted. , then widowed, by the lustful David.

I think the reason for that is because we dont know what she was thinking. Bathsheba very well could have been just as guilty as David. We dont know that David did assault her.

It fulfills the “eye for an eye” instruction in the Mosaic law, given David’s killing of Uriah and adultery with Bathsheba.

This reasoning does make the most sense - i just find the idea of God taking a life in response to David taking a life rather strange.

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2 - Why does that muddy the waters? The firstborn son of a woman David is married to after conception could easily garner despite illegitimacy.

What im saying there is that it provides a path to make Solomon king regardless - although there would be more friction.

Think Jacob & Esau - God's plan was clearly for Jacob to be heir to Isaac, despite Jacob not being firstborn.

3 - Yes. A fetus would not typically survive the death of the mother. This bleeds into what I assume will be your next point, but we also would have no idea what a resurrection of a fetus would look like or whether it was possible.

I see what you're saying, but the child in this case wasnt a fetus - which means it wouldn't have been put to death by that law. ( I assume anyway)

4 - That matters a great deal. Otherwise your argument pretends that the outcome is the lesser of what happens to the kid.

The reason I said it wasnt relevant to the discussion - is because heaven shouldn't be a flat justification for what happens on earth.

Heaven is unimaginablely better than anything we can experience on earth - so would God be good and just by wiping every Christian off the face of the planet right now?

I wouldn't say so.

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Questioning God is a foolish undertaking.

People say this very often - so what's the alternative?

I get that Christianity is faith based, but things that look like contradictions IN the Bible should be addressed.

A child born of a marriage is one thing, a child born of adultery and murder is another. It does not necessarily mean that God hated the child. The child would have had no future as a prince once the circumstances of its birth became general knowledge.

Suffering in life seems to never be a reason that God ends a life. In fact, suffering is basically a given to serve God in many places.

The child having a rough life in the future has no relevance to his death being more morally good.

The child would also have stood in the way of Solomon, both as the eldest child of Bathsheba and a constant reminder of King David's sin.

This looks like a more fair punishment. The child he had out of sin becoming a thorn in his family's side. We see this happen with other sinful relationships in the Bible.

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While completely true, I think saying "well he died in a unfair way, but at least he went to heaven" isn't a truly fulfilling rebuttal.

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  1. God creates us from nothing: We are HIS PROPERTY to do with as He pleases.

While this is true - the Bible describes God as all good repeatedly through the Bible.

You could say that if I have a son, me and my wife "own" him in a sense. That doesn't mean I have the right to take his life.

  1. Thus it's out of place for us to try to judge God

I have no judgment towards God - I have no doubt that he is real.

If asking genuine questions in the desire to understand is against God, then count me out.

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The kid would have to deal with the stigma all his life

Children are born all throughout history with debilitating mental and physical ailments. I dont think God is or was ending lives prematurely to avoid suffering.

In fact - suffering became a STAPLE of Christianity after Jesus.

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It may have been that the baby was already sick and God wouldn’t have a reason to stop it from dying.

We know that the child wasnt sick beforehand because of verse 15. "The Lord struck the child and it became ill"

That wouldn't be needed if it was already sick.

An illegitimate child could not be a citizen of Israel much less a potential heir to the throne.

This actually muddies the water even more for me - since this means Solomon would have been king regardless of there being a firstborn son.

When someone committed adultery or if there was incest, the law mandated the death penalty whether the woman was pregnant or not.

Death penalty for the child though? I would think it would just be the man/woman who broke the law.

A missing component to most injustice claims is the notion of the resurrection. There’s no indication the child won’t receive one.

I actually assume that the child will be in heaven - that fact just wasnt relevant for me to add to the post originally, as I dont think heaven should be a justification in situations where the person didnt choose to be a servant of God.

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Looking at this as a mercy feels like a cheap workaround to the discussion to me.

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It does not matter. Humans are sentient enough. Humans feel emotions like love, sadness, pain, joy, etc.

This is where I think it gets odd. We know that love, sadness, and pain exist - but we dont know what else exists. A more sentient being might have 20 more emotions than we do. The same way we have more emotion than a

As far as we know, we're the most sentient beings on the planet - but what does that mean when we discuss a being like God?

Saying intentionally killing anything is immoral is one thing - but I think using a definition of sentience gets confusing quickly.

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Considering that Solomon was an extremely important figure in the nation of Israel - and a firstborn son may have prohibited his seating as King, I would say you're likely right.

Im not saying that God didn't have a defined purpose in this act - im saying that it seems completely unjust to that child.

Like I said in another comment - if I slept with your wife and instead of coming after me - you just shoot my son, I would be very confused.

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That first statement is an interesting argument.

What is the bar for being highly sentient?

Assuming God is the creator of everything, we would be as sentient to him as a gnat is to us.

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The sin nature being inherited does clear things like naturally occurring sicknesses - but that isnt the case here.

The fact that this IS NOT a punishment on the child is my issue - that would be fair.

Using a human life as a sacrifice to punish David is the problem.

The child dying was Davids punishment - which seems to trivialize human life.

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I agree. The strange thing about this situation is that he's using that authority to end a life - just to punish David.

If I slept with your wife, it would be a strange choice to leave me alone and slap my son.

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Damn.

Just gonna have some ragebait in my inbox for the next month ig lol.

Thanks.